When the right to self determination includes a birthright of murderous theft of Palestinian lands, then the Zionist crusader state will have a right to exist. Until that day comes, Zionists are still nothing more and nothing less than murderous thieves of palestinian lands.

Wether or not a Jeqwish country has a right to exist is an issue you could debate without even mentioning the Palestinians, or anyone else for that matter. It is a philosophical issue AT BEST.

Wether or NOT ZIonists have a right to steal palestinian lands and murder the Palestinians who dare to resist the ZIonist's theft of palestinian lands is a real world issue that Zionists try to cover up as they push the meaningless philosophical issue of wether or not a jewish country has a right to exist.

"the exact same rights they would grant others".

first, noone has a right to just move into thier neighbor's homeland, take over, steal what they can, MURDER anyone who resists the theft, route the bereaving widows and orphans into the wilderness, and 20 years later, invade the wildreness as well. As Zionists have done.

"grant others"??? Well, it someone has to grant such a RIGHT then it clearly is not a right.