Haven't these ARA morons heard of the first amendment? They complain about their voices being silenced, while at the same time try to silence other voices using violence. Their tactics come right from the Communist playbook.

Oh yeah, and what the hell kind of name is "Black Planet Books?" Is that some kind of black supremicist thing like Black Panthers? Or maybe that is just a description of how the world will be after the monkeys take over and forget how electric lighting works.

"Black Planet" as in "black," the color of the anarchist, not unlike "red," the color of the communist.

I'd like to add that your last paragraph is laughable. During my time at Lincoln Technical Institute, I observed that out of all of the people there, the "monkeys" were quite good at understanding electricity and high-tech things. Conversely, it was the backwoods redneck white-trash boys who wanted to join the Klan that had the trouble with it.

We can talk about why nazism should be opposed, and it should, but the fact of the matter is, they do have the right to say what they want...whatever the message. It worries me when people are denied the right to express how they feel, especially by people who claim to want a free society, anarchists. The right to say what you want and express your views is essential to any free society and it doesn't matter what those views are. People only have a right to counter-protest these actions, but to violently block the nazis from having their own demonstration is wrong. Chomsky had it right when he said that even Stalin was in favor of freedom of speech for speech he liked. It's not like fascists are attempting to take power over the whole of society, then of course they need to be stongly opposed, but to deny them the chance to make their voice heard...yes they have voices too.....is wrong. We can all sit around and justify that it's neccesary to do so because they are nazis or whatever, but they are also individuals with ideas.

It seems so basic that "anti-fascists" behaving in a manner indistinguishable from the SA Brownshirts is totally self-defeating. Maybe the fear of violence explains why more counterprotestors failed to show.

It should be absolutely illegal to instigate hatred towards any individual, group or gender. In a true democracy the meetings of these goons would be monitored and they would be accused of anti-democratic action if they engaged in such instigation. I hereby declare that I am anti-democratic because it is undeniable that we're talking about inferior goons who I would hate to see besmirching my neighborhood.

The Nazis are always wondering why the ARA wants to beat on them... It's quite simple. Hasn't anyone ever heard of "beating some sense" into someone?

I'm for free speech for those I disagree with. I'm NOT for free spech for those who are organizing to kill me, or to kill or oppress anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. I am also NOT for free speech for those who are planning or carrying out imperialist wars and 'anti-' terrorist oppression, or who have carried out such acts in the past and still defend such acts. I have taken part in actions to stop (or try to stop) speeches by Benjamin Netanyahu, Madeleine Albright, Henry Kissinger and David Irving, among others.

Nazis and other racists and imperialists -- in or out of government -- have no rights that a human being is bound to respect!

Incidentally, The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution limits the right of GOVERNMENT to restrict speech, etc. I am 100% for that. I oppose LAWS that restrict the Nazis' speech rights. More generally, I don't grant to the ruling class the right to define what speech is acceptable.

Steel pipes and gas grenades
by whatever means... 6:13pm Thu Aug 29 '02

The acquired nobility of your innocent struggle certainly deserves a response from the "community." In lieu of funds to your underground book seller, here is my contribution:

According to the police and prosecutors' office, the facts are clear.

1.) You and your crew attacked and injured people in the area of a hotel because of what they looked like. You hit a young man and woman in the face and body with a steel pipe because of what they looked like. You attacked, vandalized and damaged a bus engaged in interstate commerce because of what the riders LOOKED like.

2.) The so-called Nazis you hate so much, it turns out, are people too. You can disagree with them, but, like civil rights volunteers on a chartered bus in 1960s Alabama, if you attack, assault and injure them, you are going to jail. They traveled to the district to attend a peaceful march to express their opinions. And just like your opinions, most people tend to disagree with them.

3.) Some young activist is probably eventually going to suffer as a result of your actions. Should the National Alliance return to the area and come "prepared" to defend themselves from your violence, your history of prior bad acts will mitigate what ever consequences they would otherwise expect to face for violently protecting themselves from you noble "activists."

Your gloating about hitting their leader in the face with a tire iron last year and every boastful posting on this site will be used by any good lawyer to protect these people from legal action should they put one of you people in traction or in the morgue for attacking them next time.

4.) And finally, for the record, according to the same prosecutor, your "lawyer" was arrested at the scene for failure to obey a peace officer but will be probably be facing a conspiracy indictment along with some of the rest of your crew because you conspired, as a group, to commit a crime. You then, as a group, traveled to a location to commit what turned out to be a violent crime and you caused damage to property and injury to innocent people in the commission of that violent crime.

For that, you are now soliciting money from us.

Good luck.

It is SICKENING to see how many so-called "anti-Nazis" are acting EXACTLY like the Nazis themselves!

Are you people fucked up in the head, or what?!? Do you not understand that pricoples, such as free speech, transcend ALL ideological boundries?

I'd like to think that us Anarchists, socialists, and other activists who claim to support Free Speech would actually SUPPORT it; not beat and malign people who are trying to exercise their rights. This is ridiculous.

I mean, c'mon, I don't agree with fascism either, but you don't use fascist tactics (such as censorship, violence, etc.) to eradicate fascism. It is as idiotic as Bush using terrorism (via war) to end "terrorism".

Hypocrites does not even begin to describe what I have been hearing from the typical "liberals" on the "left" regarding this matter.

If you don't like Nazis, good, let them know using non-violence and intelligence. If they don't want to listen, oh well, that is their right as HUMAN BEINGS (as hard as that may be to believe). By you people suggesting that Nazis are "subhuman" you are doing the same thing they are doing to the Jews and other minorities.

Nazis are surely a minority (at least at this event), so it was (once again) the tyranny of the majority over the small group trying to voice their opinions in a so-called "democratic" state. For once, the pigs were upholding citizens' rights. It's just ironic that it happens to have been the Nazis who were on the defensive, as opposed to us anti-Capitalists.

Anyway, I want you people to think about this shit. It is disturbing. Violence is violence. Hatred is hatred. You can't be "selective" when it comes to things like this, fools. You are putting the activist community into a trap... Otherwise, it's okeh for Capitalists to drink from this fountain, or it's okeh for whites to ride on this bus, but not okeh for someone else.

Who are the fascists at these three "demos" in one? EVERYONE! The racists are fascists, the Zionists are fascists, and the anti-racists (and anti-free speech) who advocate offensive violence against other human beings are FASCISTS!

All you kids did was confuse ESCHELON even more and all look like derranged lunatics who don't know what they are for or against.

"No to Israel"--Nazi or pro-Palestinian?
"No to fascism"--pro-Israeli or ARA?
"Let's kick their ass and keep them from speaking!"--Everyone?

Grow up.
It should never be "legal" to hinder ANYONE's freedom, so long as they are not physically hindering someone else's. (Which from reports, the Nazis were the least violent, having had to rsort to violence in defence from the so-called "anti-fascists" who used a "pre-emptive attack"-- that's what Bush wants to do to Iraq! Is that okeh?!?)

We need help as an activist community to reevaluate our own intolerant hatred.

Cheers and Solidarity (hopefully)!
--Jeff

liberal pacifists suck long winded whinning letters but you can bet they and there familys have never had a dose of the violence the nazis and kkk are giving out every day to those they are organizing against this isn`t about free speach it`s about destroying a facist organization thats organizing a race war.pathetic trash like you sell out the revolution death to the klan death to the nazis all power to the revolutionary workers stand between us and our oppressors and you will be treated accordingly onward towards the newest workers republic

She has been spamming DC IMC for several days.

By their very ideology, racists, sexists and homophobes deny others the right to speak ( and in the case of the Nazi fuckwits in question, even to exist). To allow them a voice is to capitulate to denying a voice for many, many more. And I love it how its always the sheltered and priviledged who go on about pacifism and unconditional free speech. Nothing ever changed that way, but I suspect a lot of you pacifists are quite happy to live with a racist and unjust system, if only it was just that little bit nicer. Oh, before anyone starts spouting Ghandi at me; he rode into prominence on the back of a lot of militant strikes and uprisings by non-pacifist Indian workers. The British just focused on dealing more with him because they knew his vision of independance would be more favourable to them then what most of the workers wanted, and his tactics just resulted in unnescessary massacres of the Indian poor rather than anything that could threaten the imperialist. And after all, Ghandi was happy to recruit people to kill for the British empire back when he was in South Africa.

You can't discriminate against Nazi's. Unlike blacks, and Palestinians, and women and gays, they are not born into an oppressed group. They chose to become nasty minded little weasels, and if left unchecked, make life worse for those who really are the victims of discrimination. Yes, as Chris says 'they're all individuals with ideas', and those ideas make the world even more unjust and violent. I'm sorry for the people of the warm and fuzzy approach to activism, but Hitler, vegetarian and animal lover though he was, would probably not have got over it if he'd just been given a big hug.

I was I hadn't written that twice.

Covering the Counter-Demonstration

Finally, stopped at every attempt to get to the demonstrators, I decided to cover the counter-demonstrators. Alex sends me to get these stories and I had to report on something. Now, it wasn't my intention to be a slimy sneak and spy on the CDs; no, that's their racket. Plus, I was wearing a shirt with two ravens, two crossed swords, the Life Tree and the words "Odin's Reich" (ok, so it was written in Norse runes). So I wasn't exactly undercover. Anyway, I walked through the milling crowd, snapping pictures and writing down observations. I noted a number of interesting occurrences and situations that I couldn't have picked up from the demonstration side. Most of what follows is guesswork based on quick impressions but is still pretty good information.

First, as many of us suspected, the opposition is made up of very different groups with different agendas. What I noticed was that they operated almost completely independently, had different leaders, and had no communication during the demonstration. With the greater space for movement at this demonstration, the groups were clearly separated from each other, acting as if the others didn't even exist. With different demonstration goals (counter-propaganda, violence, increasing public awareness of their group, implementing Jewish strategies) they didn't even acknowledge each other and to some degree were working at cross-purposes.

The ARA

As noted, one of the first groups to reach Union Square from the Capitol was the ARA. I initially noticed about 50 of them congregating at the fountain with Bello purportedly in charge. It was clear though that even among the ARA members differed in how they wanted to proceed. As the demonstrators were approaching, one of the ARA members yelled to the cops, "Just let us have 5 minutes alone with them!" Putting aside for the moment how laughable this was, it was significant that Bello immediately turned on that member to squelch him. I have no idea what the thinking behind this was. But I did notice that 1) there appeared to be significant differences in tactics and thinking among the ARA members, with some tending towards the more violent tactics of the Black Bloc, and 2) while Bello may have been in charge in name there was not much discipline or acknowledgement of his leadership.

The Black Bloc

Next, the boys in black. They were there for violence, plain and simple. They didn't waste time at a counter-demonstration, but spent their time maneuvering into position to cause the most trouble. At the Israeli embassy demonstrations they spent their time strung down the street, waiting for the demonstrators to march back to the garage. Their members were the usual black-clad and black-masked skinny Jews and Whites, but they had somewhere dug up about a dozen blacks who were dressed the same and running with them. At least most of them were dressed the same. Some of the blacks seemed hesitant to put on the black masks, with previous experiences at the local liquor store apparently fresh in their minds. One black tried to pull a black kerchief up over his face but couldn't get it past his lips and nose - so he left it dangling on his chin - pretty funny.

As the demonstrators were marching past Union Square into the parking garage, I was standing close to a cop with a radio. Over the radio came a report, "We have people in the crowd (CDs) bringing up bags of rocks and bottles...they are now throwing the rocks and bottles...rocks and bottles being thrown." I wasn't near this and didn't see it, but it was almost definitely the Black Bloc. Some of them also were carrying clubs, with little flags attached so they could pass as flagpoles.

The Bloc didn't seem to have any clear leaders, but they have the pack instincts of a band of hyenas. It's no coincidence they have chosen as their target the politically weakest and most despised group in our society - proud White males. They couldn't get away with this behavior against absolutely anyone else. Also, because of what we can call the "Rick Desper dilemma," even an attempt to stop these animals from murdering you can get a White man put in jail. (Contrast what happened to Rick with what happened to that Jewish publicist Lizzie Grubman who deliberately ran down 20 innocent people on Long Island.)

In addition, almost all the members of the ARA and Black Bloc are so skinny and spindly that one solid punch could conceivably kill them. As many have said, probably 10 or so Skinheads could whip the whole bunch of them. With a few exceptions, almost all of them are small and skinny, with the opposite being true for the Skinheads.

Yet because they have gotten away with so much and because, with the whole Establishment against us, we always hesitate to fight back at these demonstrations, they have somehow come to the conclusions that they are mighty warriors and continue to act ever more dangerously. They also continue with the hilarious belief that they are anti-establishment; they are as much part of the Establishment as the Federal Reserve.

The Anti-Fascist Coalition

Next, the purported leaders of this freak circus, the "Anti-Fascist Coalition." These guys would be recognizable to anyone who showed up at an Israeli embassy demonstration. They were the ones on the megaphones, leading the chants and basically trying to get some discipline and semblance of order across the street, which is like trying to put monkeys in a barrel. They include one guy with blond hair, a couple stereotypical Jews and homos and a few others. At the Embassy demonstrations they appeared to be in charge of everything, today they clearly were in charge of only a few people, probably a few dozen by the time the demonstrators were marching into the garage.

However, it was the Anti-Fascist Coalition that had the media contacts (at one point someone yelled "CNN is on the cell phone") and was best able to control their image. They were the ones with the fake "Palestinians against Nazism" demonstrators and signs. Numerous signs said things like "Pro-Palestinian, Pro-Israeli, Anti-Nazi." They were the ones manipulating the unaffiliated individuals, which at this counter-demonstration appeared to be the large majority, into believing they were only there to demonstrate against Nazis. Yet the Zionist nature of their strategy was often evident; they were even holding up an Israeli flag at one point. It probably was the AFC that brought out most of the demonstrators, with pro-Palestinian/anti-Fascist rhetoric.

Ultimately behind the entire counter-demonstration is a Jewish effort to stop the demonstrators from getting across their pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel message. In the same way the AFC and ARA used, amazingly, anti-globalist chants! As if we are for the IMF, the World Bank and the UN. The Jews support all these global organizations (heck, they started and control them), but have for the most part been able to control and shape the opposition to them. If you listen carefully, the "anti-globalist" demonstrators aren't against globalization at all, but merely want a global bill of rights enacted, which would in itself increase globalism. Globalism has always been as much a Jew goal as Zionism - the two are in fact linked.

The CD's continue to chant "Nazis, Nazis," apparently still not realizing that this is like us chanting "Jews, Jews." Yeah, we're Nazis, it's not an insult you morons, it's a compliment.

The AFC seemed to be the only group doing an organized wrap-up at the end of the counter-demonstration, so that's the one I listened to. Here are a few quotes that were rolled off to the faithful, "If there's someway to get through their line [apparently the demonstrators' line] we have to be like snakes and strike through; What we saw here was the politics of hope versus the politics of hate; We must practice the politics of unity; We have to stop the racist death penalty; We have to stop the INS [or IMF, either one would have been equally inane] which produces Nazis here and around the world; Try not to get isolated, those scum might be out there." That last one is classic, you really have to be afraid of those White muggers in D.C.

Anti-White White Males

The most pathetic sight by far was the number of White male demonstrators. Imagine being at the bottom of that social pyramid; Jews on top, then rows of blacks, spics, dykes, AIDS freaks, right down to the bottom where they put you. Sometimes it got really absurd; whenever a black sat down a bunch of these White boys would fight to be his footstool, sometimes coming to blows. A number of blacks and spics made pets out of these Whites, leading them around by leashes. They made up funny names like "Whiteboy, Honky, Buttboy, Rover," and made them do tricks. The more they were humiliated, the more these race traitors seemed to like it. Many begged to be beaten with sticks. The blacks and spics traded and sold their pets back and forth. These White boys are so full of White guilt they may never be saved.

I was also able to interview briefly a member of the Black Bloc. He apparently was a brand-new member and not too media savvy yet. I asked him where the name of his group came from. He explained that the founder, Freddy Weinstein, was in nursery school when one day he noticed that the blocks he was playing with consisted of every color but black! At that moment Freddy became aware of institutionalized racism. He immediately formed other members of his playgroup into the nascent Black Blocks, representing those excluded from traditional society. I asked why the name had eventually been changed and was told that "Bloc" sounded way cooler.

At the very end, various CDs were yelling the name and address of some D.C. "vegan" café where they were going to meet. Imagine the fun time they had there. The address didn't interest me. Who wants to invade a restaurant where the AIDS virus is so mutated that it can get up and walk around by itself?

Conclusions

The police presence at these demonstrations has reached the bizarre. They appeared to be leading around the demonstrators, and herding the counter-demonstrators. They blocked all access to what was supposed to be a public demonstration. The cops were completely arrogant and there was no reasoning with them. It was a police demonstration; we were just the excuse for the exercise of power.

If it weren't for all the cops, the CDs would have attempted to injure or kill some of the demonstrators. That's where their behavior is heading - it's what they say they want to do, it's what they try to do, and no one in the government is trying to put the brakes on them. They have a hugely inflated opinion of their abilities but unfortunately that is only making them more dangerous.

The ability of the Left -- Jews, Blacks, Marxists, and the entire rabble -- to believe and act as if they are fighting the Establishment while actually being the Establishment remains astonishing. They are constantly aggressive and constantly moving leftward. No matter how fast and far they transform our society; they are never satisfied and always have even more radical plans to implement. In their own literature, they look at our destroyed society and can only call it "a good start." Their plans for the future are truly frightening - they have only BEGUN to transform our society.

Anyway, I tried to edge towards the road so at least someone would toss me a flier about the concert location, but no dice. Hopefully it was a good time.

VICTOR GERHARD

Normally I avoid the sexual dysfunction theory of why people become Nazis, but Victor Gerhardt's contribution is obviously the ranting of a man who feels himself to be deeply inadequate. Especially his bondage fantasies about blacks treating whites as 'footstools' and insulting them with outdated cliches. I notice that Nazis often despise liberated and assertive women and homosexuals - as people who feel themselves losers in modern society, they are often insecure about their sexuality, and anything that challenges their fantasies of being a dominating, powerful man. They want women weak and easy to handle, because, pathetic little bullies that they are, they know they don't have the strength, and definately don't have the mental skills, to cope with anything stronger.
This is a man who cannot succeed in modern society, and so decides to blame his failures on the obviously oppressed - mistakenly believing that if only they were kept down even more he might be able to get ahead. The rest of us, who have more normal social interactions, can act in solidarity and fight for a better world for everyone.
Victor, grow up. Your ranting about poor little white boys being the most picked on in society is obvious bullshit, and makes you look like a teenage bully crying to mummy the first time someone hits you back. And I'm sure everyone in the demo knew what you were from your clothes; its just that your infantile emblems trying to portray masculinity and nastiness make you look like a prepubescent poseur and I's sure most of them mistakenly felt sorry for you. After all, someone so obviously trying to portray himself as a bad bad man is a bit hard to take seriously.

"Free speech" is reserved for those who can control it. Period.

That is why we have four corperations controlling the majority of the mass media in the U.S. with government saction (i.e.--the FCC), facsists beating down those they disagree with and wish to conquor, and anti-fascists beating down those they disagree with.

Morality is determined by those who have the power to do so. Power is what struggle is all about. Power consists of knowledge, wealth, violence, and unity.

This is politics, people; WAR!

So, knowing this, it is ridiculous for thse bourgeois liberal elements to condemn the ARA folks or the Black Bloc, while at the same time calling for the police and courts to punish them; the fact is that the police and courts are the most violent institutions of all. Clearly, the liberals who uphold this are squarely on the side of established fascism, as opposed to grassroots fascism (as represented by the NA, KKK, and others); and therefore are legitimate targets for firm and decisive action at the hands of either the nazis or the anti-racist forces.

The nazis ultimately seek to take power. The left...well, some of them claim to want to take power "in the name of the proletariat", but I doubt they are serious about doing so, since this requires responsibility, discipline, and a "kill or be killed" attitude. Those who are in power have this attitude, the nazis have this attitude, few on the left do.

The liberals have it...in a passive aggressive way: they would rather have others do their dirty work for them. They are the worst scum of all (pacifists especially); at least the "extremists" are honest about who and what they are, and their historic role in the process of social change.

It's about POWER [by any means necessary] stupid! Anything else is a mere detail.

Get over it! Deal with it! Or shut up and stay home!

"We should also bear in mind that the right to freedom of speech in the United States was not established by the First Amendment to the Constitution, but only through dedicated efforts over a long period by the labor movement, the civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1960s, and other popular forces. James Madison pointed out that a "parchment barrier" will never suffice to prevent tyranny. Rights are not established by words, but won and sustained by struggle.

"It is also worth recalling that victories for freedom of speech are often won in defense of the most depraved and horrendous views. The 1969 Supreme Court decision was in defense of the Ku Klux Klan from prosecution after a meeting with hooded figures, guns, and a burning cross, calling for "burying the nigger" and "sending the Jews back to Israel." With regard to freedom of expression there are basically two positions: you defend it vigorously for views you hate, or you reject it in favor of Stalinist/Fascist standards."
-Noam Chomsky

I sure hope that the Chris's outnumber the Malcolm's -- otherwise I suppose I'm doomed. ;-[) I think that if Stalinist psychopaths like Malcolm ever do assume power, Chris, myself and millions of others will be tortured and murdered, a la Pol Pot. How is that any different from fascism?

People like Malcolm ought to be allowed to indulge in "hate speech" to their hardened heart's content, but at the first instance of actual violence toward a human, they should be caged -- either in a psychiatric institution or prison until such time as it is thought they are safe to turn loose into a civilized society.

The gains of the 1960's and 70's via various Civil rights legislation efforts (albeit flawed based upon their intent: to stave off revolution and not to truly guarantee rights)have been rolled back so far there is no real hope other than one class overthrowing another.

This is a direct result of lofty idealism and wishful thinking by people like yourself convincing an ignorant electorate to go along with you and cretins like you in authoritarian schemes of rank opportunism and poverty pimpin' designed to line the pockets of non-profit organizations and other NGOs.

How can you uphold a system that is so terribly flawed that its numerous symtoms (police brutality, the FISA court, enviromental destruction, genocide, etc) have been roundly condemned by the United Nations over and over and over?

As Trotsky put it bluntly, "the masses are asses". This is why 85% of the population, like yourself, are so easily bought off. This is the root of the continuing appeal of Neo-Nazism. Since the masses are so backward, then you must deal with them in ways they are familiar with, ways that have worked for over 200 years: brute force. Sad, but true.

NA's message was clear to me: "join us...or else!"

ARA's message was clear to me: "join them...at your own peril!"

There is no "free speech"! Get it through your thick skull!How can there be "free speech" when those in power, who claim to represent all of us, the same folks you call upon to punish ARA, can at any moment snatch it away at gun point? The PATRIOT Act is a prime example of this! "Free speech" is not truly "free". As James Ujamaa and the National Alliance found out, there is a hefty price to pay!

People like Sky should learn to not post twice.

"Sky: There Is No Such Thing As "Free Speech"! You Are Already DOOMED!"

Sounds like something a nazi said to me last summer, right before we beat the shit out of him.

Your violent and psychopathic posts speak for themselves. Words are just words -- violent behavior is what really must be controlled. I think that it is highly likely that mentally ill people like you two will eventually act out. anyone who reads this who knows these two should be forewarned and keep their distance. You ought to be shunned as you obviously have no place in any democratic or populist movement. You are poison to any social progress. Best of all, you goons can't lay a finger on me!

pseudonyms: malcolm = bill, sky = carol
they chase everyone else off and talk to themselves, alot.

Baltimore IMC,
how do you deal with above spammers on your newswire?

imagine this situation...
A group of weird looking tough guys numbering at 5 or 6 gather across the street in visible daylight, and are carrying banners stating their hate for your neighborhood, particularly for your block, and maybe even your house specifically. They announce in full public that they have an agenda of slaughtering every human being on your block starting with YOUR family, they start passing out fliers to passerbys, some of which agree to their rrhetoric and join in on the threat. Your neighbors come out of their houses to find out what all the commotion's about, and you all look at each other, and start discussing what to do about this potential threat. There are now about 15 people talking about lynching you and your family. There are several courses of action you can take.
1. Call the cops
2. Ignore them
3. Call the neighbors over and kick their asses out of town

Would you choose number 1 if you'd soon find out that the cops would show up in riot gear and PROTECT The thugs across the street from your potential retaliation to their threats of mass murder?

Would you choose number 2 if you'd soon find out that after you ignored them they grew to numbers in the hundreds, systematically attacked you and your neighbors in the streets at night over the next few years and bullied their way into maintaining a hardcore group of about a thousand or so and started an organization that raised enough funds to buy off the mayor, the cops and the cronies, and attempted to carry out their plans of genocide?

Or would you choose number 3 if you knew that you'd kick their asses, and make them look real dumb, humiliated them, and sent them home with their tail between their legs, and force some of them to think twice before coming around your way. and when they came back, you'd kick their asses again and again, to the point where noone around would want to join their dumb group of hateful shitheads that always got their asses kicked?

Their is much Sophism on this message board, so let me just be short and to the point with what I have to say:

1. During recent politcal gatherings the so called "left" has repeatedly demonstrated it's acceptance of violence as a justifiable method of achieving political and social ends. The claims that the so-called "Nazis" are violent is, I have discovered, a fabrication. Rarely does one hear of incidents pertaining to violent white racist crime. Such claims are more than often media and social projections which falsely represent the views of the organizations working for the interest of white Americans. The majority of white supporters are white youth who have been alienated from their cultural roots and are actually responding to violence and discrimination against their way of life. (i,e. ethnic gangs).

2. While the actions of different orgainzations (i,e. black bloc) do not adeuquetly represent the whole "left" community, those in that community need to understand that, once reported, these actions will effect the average persons view of your entire movement. If you don't want to be seen as violent, don't endorse violent actions.

3. If you believe in free speech then you believe in free speech exactly for those views that you oppose. It's that simple.

4. If the people at the armory didn't want the White Supremecists in their neighborhood then they should have challanged the gathering before it was actually happening. This shows ignorance on the part of the people who live in this community. This confusion turned to anger and was directed to the gathering of white people working for white interests. This furthers my idea that the whole "leftist" protest movement is fueled by emotion.

5. Why is it that the left and the right both protest the occupation of Israel, yet the liberals cannot agree that they are fighting on the same cause as the right? I ask you White liberals, when palestine is free, then where will you direct your attention. It should be towards your own culture and heritige which you and your families have abandoned for quick fixes and entertainment. Let palestine as well of every other people of the world be independent and self governing without the arbitrary effects of coersion. We should all respect cultural differences and never think that our own superceds another.

Ultimately, bourgeois liberal-fascist sheep and cattle like Sky will be eaten. Pacificism is pathology: it is the only ideology on the left that advocates mass suicide.

It is no secret: "political power grows from the barrel of a gun" (Mao). The police, the courts, the government, and the nazis themselves all know this and use it to its fullest potential everyday. Yet Sky, and other delusional pseudo-intellectuals call upon them to cage the rest of us! It is clear what side they are on! If it was up to them, they would invite neo-nazis to come and kill us! But at this point and time they haven't figured out how to control them to their own ends. Yet.

The idiot who claims that nazis never perpeterate violence is probably a nazi in denial. Go the DOJ or FBI websites and read the stats on hate crimes in the U.S., and see who is doing what before you dare run your mouth! Or go to the nazi chat rooms and get the 411 from the source!

My post is hardly violent. We only beat the shit out of the nazi for his threaning to beat my friend up if my friend didn't give him his ARA smash fascism patch.

1. They (the "nazis") are not white supremacists. Supremacist would imply that they want to rule over all non-white persons, which they do not. White nationalism, or white separatism, more accurateley describes them.

2. The ultimate goal of white nationalists is a white homeland, particularly the traditional European lands of our ancestors. A U.N. resolution has stated that the various peoples of this earth deserve their own homeland ( if they wish it). Killing all non-white peoples has nothing to do with the ideology.

3. The death rate among whites is at, or higher than, the birth rate among whites. This, coupled with miscegination and other factors, means Europeans are going extinct. It's a fact.

4. A vast majority of immigration of persons from one country to another flows from non-white nations to white nations. There has never been a single instance in history where a truly multicultural society has lived on in prosperity. Once the founding people is replaced, the nation falls (Austria-Hungary, Ottoman, Egypt, South Africa, Russia, Zimbabwe, Rome, etc...).

5. White nationalists do not want to force all whites to live under a nationalistic government. If whites want to live in diversity, they can do so. We want people who believe that a government with white interests at heart is the best for them.

6. The purpose of protests is simply to show that we are disgusted by U.S. support for Israel and to show other people with white pride that there are those who aren't afraid to face their enemies. The U.S. gives the equivalent of $10,000,000 a day to Israel, unlimited weapons sales, and nonstop diplomatic support. Also, the ARA and company were the only ones there with a planned and organized agenda of violence. The only pictures the media showed were those showing the few skinheads that carried swastika flags, asif that were a justification for the ARA's attacks on peaceful protestors.

Why exactly it is wrong for whites to want the same thing that every other race on earth can have or demand is a mystery to me. Whites are going to be extinct and all we want is a homeland where the white family is held as the most important unit in a society, and children are promoted for couples instead of soulless money worship. The ARA and whoever can do what they want...we don't care and we don't want to live with them or rule over them. Our culture and our survival are the stakes.

let us not forget that these are also the same fearful folks (who only want their own "homeland") who also bomb women's clinics...like hitler, who feared the disappearance of the white race, they want more babies of white skin hue...so remember this, and "heads up" regarding the crass violence of these folks, and its relationship to the general violence of our so-called "society"...connect the issues of civil rights to working to create a truly equal and just world. we must continue to challenge the status quo on all levels.

I was one of the "Nazis" on the Capitol lawn as the "ARA" like to refer to us. Apparently "Nazi" in the ARA dictionary means someone the ARA doesn't like because I am not a "Nazi". The term Nazi is a contraction of the German "National Sozialist". Sorry, ARA, the real Nazis were socialists, but of the national sort, while you are of the jewish/international source. Don't forget that your spiritual head, Karl Marx was a jew born Moses Levy. I am a reverend in the World Church of the Creator. We are "Racial Socialists". A racial socialist doesn't give a damn what language you speak or what county you live in - only that you are a member of the White Race. The White Race has no nation, therefore we are not Nationalists.

From previous encounters with the ARA, especially York PA, I was confident that given enough time, the ARA would hang itself, as happened in Baltimore (which I like to refer to as Nairobi on the Patuxent). All criminals will eventually end up in jail. I hope the ARA members love their stay in a Maryland prison where the black people they claim to love so much will be a 80%+ majority. It would be so ironic if they have to join a "white power" gang in jail just to survive the onslaught of their black "friends".

It is ironic that the ARA did not join us in protesting against Israel and war criminal Sharon. Here we have Jews committing full scale genocide on the Palestinians yet the ARA protests against us protesting against the bandit state of Israel.

To all of you people who think you are "doing good": We will not be stopped because we act within the law. We don't give a damn if you think we don't have a right to speak. Our right to speak does not come from you or any external source.
It's something we are all born with. You have to realize that Communism/Marxism/Hippyism had its heyday and it failed (and led to the murder of about 60 million people worldwide).
White People such as I and the WCOTC, NA, etc. are on the "cutting edge" of societal evolution. The future is ours. Yes, we may have to deal with ARA counter protests and attacks in the interim, but our movements are growing and that you cannot stop. Kill me and 10 people will rise to take my place. The World Church of the Creator is not about oppressing anyone. Our mission is "The Survival, Expansion and Advancement" of the White Race and the White Race alone.
We are an independence movement. We seek the establisment of an all white country. We fervently declare our independence from law-enforced manditory multiculturalism (ie. open borders, "fair" housing laws, segregated schools). Such laws take away our free of choice, whether to live in the "multicultural experiment" or to "drop out" (as the Hippies would say). If you ARA guys want to live around people of all races, that's your choice but I for one don't want that. Allow me/us the chance to live Our lives the way We desire. If you're so in love with the black man, live downtown Baltimore and see how much the Congoids there love you.
Do you want to know why I would never counter protest at an ARA function or concert? I'm grown up. I've got a life and more important things to do with my time.
When one of your beloved African-Americans attacks you because you are White, don't say we didn't warn you. When a Nigger hits you in the head with a pipe, maybe he'll knock some sense in to you. But from my part, I don't hope you have to go through that to come to your senses.

I wonder when you ARA idiots figure out that beating up protesters that you don't like is like burning down the village...in order to save it.

Nationalism is a human right. The Kurds have a right to a country, so do the Palestinians, the Basques, the Chipass Indians, and any others...just like the white race.

When the jews decide to respect our right to nationalism, forever refrain from ever setting foot in or interfering with any white society, and admit their role in the communist holocaust in Europe, I may consider recognizing their right to nationalism (zionism) as well.

Hail the Alliance!! Hail Victory!!

PS: ARA here's a plan. Let's wear masks just like the Klan!!

I would like to say to the red Antis who label White Nationalists as "Nazis" that White people do not have to ask the Government's permission, nor the permission of the red Jews to either formulate an all white society of their own or to exercise their right to speak for it without fear of violence on the part of Antis, whatever their background and ideology. The right to pursuit to happiness is inherent in all White descendants of this Country, and is not a Government mandated right. If you try to intimidate us with violence we will meet you with violence. I am willing to die to protect and defend my rights and the rights of those I love. Are you willing to die to try to take them from me? Think hard about that!

and people who want to play-act street fights with nazis are making fools of themselves, endangering others, and giving police every reason to come down hard on peaceful demonstrations.

"When the jews decide to respect our right to nationalism, forever refrain from ever setting foot in or interfering with any white society, and admit their role in the communist holocaust in Europe, I may consider recognizing their right to nationalism (zionism) as well.

Nationalism is a human right. The Kurds have a right to a country, so do the Palestinians, the Basques, the Chipass Indians, and any others...just like the white race."

But you fail to realize that if anything, this is my country, not your country for your white race.

Re: Both Sides Are FASCISTS!!! One Type Of Violence Is Not Better Than The Other.

..."I mean, c'mon, I don't agree with fascism either, but you don't use fascist tactics (such as censorship, violence, etc.) to eradicate fascism. It is as idiotic as Bush using terrorism (via war) to end "terrorism"."

"Grow up.
It should never be "legal" to hinder ANYONE's freedom, so long as they are not physically hindering someone else's...
Cheers and Solidarity (hopefully)!
--Jeff"

Okay, Jeffie, be a big boy now and tell you little spew about free speech to the jews who control the media and who thrive on censorship.

Learn who the communists are. You will save your life from being destroyed. Communists will physically and spiritually harm others who do not join their philosophy.

It's good to see you coming out clearly that you are against "babies with white-skin" And that your posting is rated highly by your lefty buddies.

The left wants the white race to die out and you call us "evil" for trying to prevent that. Would you call someone who wanted to protect the black race evil as well? I guess not. I think you would commend such a person instead.

No it's only the white race which has to die in your eyes.

I am sure that all reasonable people would choose our side, just like the blacks who are quoted in the article. They don't believe in the "all races must mix and lose their characteristics and cultures to live under a One World government" lie as well.

Of course there is one group of people who is excluded from this mixing and for whom it is considered deplorable by the mass media to mix with other races and that is the exact group of people who is pushing the "let's all come together" crap. And that is the Jewish people of course!

Attention Running Dog Reactionaries,

1.) The Indigenous comrade is correct, the United States, like Israel, is on STOLEN LAND. You have no more right to set up a homeland here than the Zionists do in Palestine. You are no different than the Zionists, other than your ethnicity, diet, religion, and lack of political and economic power.

2.) Mussolini, Hitler, and Franco all sought a peaceful co-existance between capital and labor; with each individual at the head of government in their respective countries. They did not advocate in policy the principles of one class overthrowing another and/or "dictatorship of the proletariat", therefore they are not "socialist".

3.)Marx's ideas on the re-organization of society came from many sources, most notably from the Iriquois Conferderation in the Great Lakes area. His Jewish ancestry has little to do with his overall thought. In fact, he opposed many of the oppresive ideas of the Rabbinate of his time!

4.) If you want a homeland, GO BACK TO EUROPE! I doubt you'll be accepted there by the current administrations and for sure both communist and anarchist forces there can and will attack you all without mercy, as the movement there is vastly more developed, organized, and without the influence of bourgeois hippy elements, as compared to the U.S. and Canada.

You have no territorial right on this continent. You NEVER have! Your "logic" is based upon the concept of 'might makes right'; the same accusation you made towards ARA and other leftists in regards to the beat down your followers recievd on A24! If you all can't take it, don't dish it out!

"...The working class has nothing to lose but its chains!"

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Natives weren't killed off by whites. The flintlocks actually had a lower rate of fire then the spears and arrows that the Natives used!! They were killed off by foreign diseases carried by whites, who occassionly exploited this. Thus, evolution favored whites via better immunity.
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That's an almost complete lie. The better immunity bit is complete bullshit. Like you said, whites EXPLOITED the fact that they had diseases that the Natives never had, and thus could easily die from.

I stand by my assertion. If you can dump in the powder, seat the bullet, pour the smokeless powder into the pan, cock the hammer and fire a flintlock faster then a bow and arrow, I'll take off my shirt and eat it. To fire an arrow: Grab an arrow. Place the rear part of the arrom against the string. Pull back, aim and fire.
I stand by my assertion about disease. It would've been impossible for Europeans to conquer North, Central, and South America if Natives had been immune to European diseases. At the time that America was conquered, Europeans didn't even know what a germ was, nevermind any principals of biological warfare!! Both Natives and Europeans believed that diseases were caused by magic and that diseaes expressed the will of god/the gods.
Joe Homeowner, you are actually narrow minded. You are judging our founding fathers by 21st century standards. As for us whites, we ARE white devils. I'm proud to be one.

L8ter dude

White friigin trash......I hate White trash scumbastards

OK, so I'm white trash. Y'all are a bunch of niggers. Thanks, that's settled. Now for the truth.

1. We don't need you, but you need us. Africans can't even feed themselves except by cannibalism, can't cure any disease except by killing, can't build factories... despite having the richest most bountiful land on the world!! Dogs are smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds them. Are you?

2. There is a huge amount of scientific and sociological evidence that proves that the races aren't equal. It's suppressed by the jews, but not totally. (Thanks to the National Alliance) Rushton, Baker, Bell curve, Jenson, etc

3. Al sharpton is a jewish-communist-new world order pawn, just like Bush, clinton and all the other sewer rats running things. Good old Al will bend over for Ariel Sharon as fast as any other politician. Al wouldn't last a day in the steel plant where I work. He's talkative, dull witted, dishonest and lazy like most negroes.

4. The multiculturists are the real problem, the root of all race problems in the US. Even Farrakan, a man I respect, has figured this out. Jews are NOT white. Jews use money and the media to crush and destroy all other races and nations. Even if you do succeed in wiping out the white race, jews will continue to destroy your people. They will try even harder, actually.

Revolution and separation are the only path to salvation for all races, not just us. Annihilation is the result of any other choice.