The notorious anti-Semite?
Ew. Get him off Indymedia- most sites have already banned him

I can't even believe his immature and very aggressive scene was even allowed to last that long. I was absolutely appalled that an adult could behave that way..and I'm about 20 years younger than he is. He kept saying, "I'm not talking to white people."

More Context

by from Joseph Anderson

Thursday Feb 14th, 2008 6:03 PM
(slightly punctuation-/word-edited for clarity)

My two separate questions were, essentially -- otherwise, regarding Finkelstein who more recently (at least since his May 1, 2006, Counterpunch article, "It's Not Either/Or") has been saying just that (except when it's too intellectually inconvenient):

1) Finkelstein said, in the interview below, that he was opposed to boycotts/divestment/sanctions against Israel; that he preferred to take "the course of least resistance", which he thought was the Palestinians gathering shovels, and chisels, and pick axes, and whatever, and going out to hack away at and bring down the (no doubt rebar reinforced wall). This, he said, "is sure to get a lot of Palestinians killed", but that is the better course, rather than boycotts.

So, I asked him, "Why would you recommend a course of action that you said would surely get a lot of Palestinians killed, instead of a nonviolent int'l course of action -- boycotts/etc. -- that wouldn't get *any* Palestinians killed?"

[And I forgot to tack on, that he otherwise says it's not either/or, so why is it either boycotts *or* tear down the wall, instead of *both*. (Although, if I imagine myself a Palestinian, I wouldn't let Israel kill me pick-axing at some wall, rather than over my engaging in armed struggle: I'd want to take at least one/some of those Israelis with me).]

2) I asked him that, "*Since* you are proclaiming the present breaking-up of Zionism anyway, and since a two-state solution with a viable Palestinian state is just about at least as remote -- and Edward Said said it was *more* remote -- as a reunified secular democratic Palestine with equal rights for all regardless of ethnicity, then since when do leftists, communists [as N.F. calls himself], Marxists, and Anarchists(as Chomsky calls himself) stop calling for justice and what's moral, because it's supposedly 'not practical or realistic'?"

[And, as a *practical* matter, and as any good lawyer could tell him, it's a very bad negotiating position to give that up!]

I interjected [in the context of Chomsky opposing boycotts against Israel or a reunified secular democratic state in Palestine] that, "I'm glad that Chomsky wasn't an Abolitionist during American slavery."

[Chomsky would have opposed economic and cultural boycotts, sanctions and divestments against slave plantation owners and the South, not so incidentally being a 'former' ideological adherent and former resident of the South himself; he'd say that it was *unrealistic* to call for the immediate abolition of slavery, and therefore progressive/leftist "purists" *shouldn't*].

Finkelstein basically ridiculed anyone who would call for a reunified secular democratic state in Palestine as (close appoximate quotes/characterizations) ridiculously internecene, battling, holier-than-though purists; as wanting a utopia; as wanting to establish a *communist* utopia in Palestine and all over the world first; as "a bunch of 1960's sectarian, internecene intellectual [in effect] masturbators, when real lives were not at stake in the '60's"; as "willing to do anything to destroy the chances for the Palestinian people for 'the prize' of their own state, when 'the prize' is virtually [very 'virtually', as in illusory at the greatest] at hand".

I don't know where he gets that imminent "prize" from -- but, he says "from all those, now, coalescing int'l court rulings against Israel" -- 'it's tha (int'l) *law*' -- 'they (i.e., the U.S. and Israel) *have* to obey'. [I guess that such faith -- in the face of the realities of U.S. govt vetoes in the UN Security Council and the face of the U.S./Israeli "might makes right" military -- and such total reliance on the White Man's "int'l law" is just like a the proverbial ivory tower white academic, like the self-important, legal pie-in-the-sky, University of Illinois professor Francis Boyle.] Even though, more and more Palestinians -- except for probably the corrupt Mahmoud Abbas leadership -- realizing that they are not going to get a viable 'Palestinian state' anywhere in the foreseeable future, which many of them might have/still settle/d for -- are no closer to one now that they were 10 or 20 or 30 years ago -- are now calling for a reunified state.

Furthermore, I think I stated that Israel would be fighting 'forever' over things like where the [squiggly] borders would be, and who would control them, and what settlements wouldn't or might come down or be evacuated, and what the economic independence or lack thereof would be, and arguing over the all-important water resources, and all the dilatory minutiae that would keep this tied up for years and years and years of 'negotiations'.

Finkelstein engaged in a bunch of other red-herring strawmen -- when not at least borderline demagogic -- accusations. I recorded the event, so if/when I get around to writing an article (for DISSIDENTVOICE.org, like my previous one, "THE LEFT AND THE ISRAEL LOBBY"), I'll have the exact relevant quotes (or I can look them up later for you).

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Well, I didn't post the open letters, but I thank whomever did. -- Joseph Anderson
by JA
Friday Feb 15th, 2008 2:09 PM

Well, I didn't post it, but I thank whomever did,

-- Joseph Anderson

www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/01/13/18472164.php

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JOEL KOVEL'S COMMENTS AND FINKELSTEIN'S WAS LIKE DAY VS. NIGHT
-- by like day and night


It's not that Finkelstein's, February 13, 2008, Berkeley lecture had no good points; he'd look totally ridiculous and reactionary without incorporating them. BUT, the Zionist browbeaten, Chomsky mentee, Norman Finkelstein is now _covering_ for Zionism and Zionist American Jews and has now become, in effect, a Zionist apologist himself. This, while _pretending_ to be a champion of Palestinian human rights. And Finkelstein easily, lately, prescribes sending _Palestinians_ (but not, of course, himself with them) to effectively pointless, open mass or group suicides, and as JA says, without taking a single Israeli with them. See www.counterpunch.org/bruinsma01052008.html. Let's see how many Palestinians take Finkelstein up on his prescription for them.

Finkelstein is now increasingly showing the intellectually and morally terminal flaws, upon deeper than surface inspection, that his mentor, the Jewish tribalist (blood is apparently thicker than justice) and the increasingly intellectually and morally threadbare Chomsky, is showing when it comes to historic Palestine and Israel (especially when it comes to sanctions, boycotts and divestments). Although, Amy Goodman is still protecting, by paying regular Democracy Now homages to, Chomsky and protecting him from leftist debate or criticism regarding his positions on historic Palestine, Zionism, Israel and its lobby, in trying to keep him propped up as a leftist cult icon.

This, regarding Finkelstein, was especially revealed during Q&A by Berkeley's Joseph Anderson's two penetrating questions to him. (Questions of the same penetrating quality that intellectually demolished now raving right-wingers David Horowtiz or Christopher Hitchens, respectively, the latter invited by _Lynne Hollander Savio_, at UC Berkeley. May Mario Savio rest in peace nonetheless. See "Hitchens Protester Speaks", online.)

This time, the moderator, the liberal Zionists who usually control such fora, couldn't censor the no-nonsense penetrating JA by purposely not calling on him, as there was a Q&A queue in which he was third.

Finkelstein spent most of his lecture politically covering for "American Jews" (as though truly _anti-Zionist_ Jews morally need any cover), vs. Israel's increasingly uncensorable (thanks to the alternative media), obviously racist, and absolutely atrocious human rights record (like any racistly brutal state) against the indigenous Palestinian people.

But, Finkelstein didn't mention _THE ISRAEL LOBBY_, _THE ZIONIST JEWISH NEOCONS_, or the militarist, permanent war, Zionist, so-called, "think tanks" (political advocacy institutions) like _JINSA_ -- regarding their roles in U.S. foreign policy and domestic, especially, Congressional politics -- even once!

See, "The Left and the Israel Lobby", by Joseph Anderson, where he takes on Norman Finkelstein and, implicitly, Noam Chomsky:

peaceandjustice.org/article.php/20060612173054885

But, to borrow from Twain, I think that Finkelstein's news of the imminent death of Zionism (on its own, without organized international opprobrium, boycotts, sanctions and divestments) is greatly exaggerated -- and quite premature.

Now see Joel Kovel's new book, _Overcoming Zionism: Creating a Single Democratic State in Israel/Palestine_ and -- what a difference two days can make -- check with YouTube and Google Videos where a video of Joel Kovel's, February 15, 2008, Berkeley lecture is expected to be made available and posted online in the near future.

re Finkelstein's new (now 'progressive Zionist') diatribe
-- by estes

It is quite amazing. The less contact that you have with anyone involved with Palestine, the easier it is to come to the logical conclusion: a secular state solution where everyone has equal rights and privileges (leaving the socioeconomics to the capitalists, the Marxists, the anarchists and the socialists to fight over after the fact).

It is only when you start engaging the scene that everyone starts telling you how "complicated" it is, and how perspectives that would normally be considered quite rational (from a left perspective) somehow don't make any sense. The number of apparent anti-Zionists who remain chained to the "two state" solution is remarkable. The real "communist utopia" [alluding to Finkelstein's ridicule of JA's question] was, of course, a separate, state socialist, Palestinian state, with Arafat serving as a scaled down version of Assad or Hussein.

Contrary to what Finkelstein said to you, the "communist utopia" was not a secular Palestine, but, rather, a separate Palestinian state which could thereafter model itself after Syria and Iraq. In other words, the communist view was nationalistic and not secular and multicultural, based upon the categorization of the Palestinians as a separate people with a separate national identity. Which was also consistent with the recognition of Israel by the USSR. But, I could be wrong, I'm relying upon old impressions here. I'm sure that you know quite a number of people who could address this much more thoroughly and intelligently. It is, however, interesting that Finkelstein went off on this diatribe, when, as far as I know, communist doctrine did not call for the creation of a state called Palestine where Israel and the occupied territories are now located. But then, he's the academic, not me.

re: the recognition of Israel by the USSR
-- by JA

The USSR wanted to get the British (imperialists) out of the Middle East -- or at least politically *oppose* the British there -- so, ironically, that's why the USSR supported the new *religio*-ethnic state of Israel (the Zionists had become anti-British -- even shooting and hanging captured British soldiers and blowing up British buildings/installations -- it's called *terrorism*, what Israel was *founded* on -- as well as an entire wing, from top to bottom, of a major 12-story hotel in Palestine, then The King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, killing over 100 people, as well as assassinating UN officials and envoys. (Can you just imagine what the U.S. and Israel would do to the Palestinians, and what the West would just stand by and watch the U.S./Israel do, if the Hamas or Hezbollah did that?)

Israel: whch *turned against* the British, just like Israel might turn against the U.S. one day, if the U.S. ever completely helped Israel eliminate all of Israel's Mideast political rivals -- or any *potential* political rivals -- like, before, Iraq and, today, Iran and, in the meantime, the Hezbollah armed resistance movement in Lebanon -- and completely dominate the Mideast. This, as per Israel's and the neocons, "Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," 1996, paper and project (the 'PNAC' for Israel).

IN FACT, THE "CLEAN BREAK" PAPER/PROJECT *CALLS FOR* ISRAEL TO BREAK WITH THE U.S. ONCE ISRAEL "SECURES IT REALM"!

See, "A War for Israel", by Jeffrey Blankfort:

www.leftcurve.org/LC28WebPages/WarForIsrael.html

In the meantime, all the white 'liberal/progressive/left Zionist' icons would have/promote white leftists automatically thinking that --as the beautifully ultimate *COVER STORY*-- the war in Iraq was *solely* for oil (or control of oil, as is the white leftist icon's fallback position), since the U.S. gets most of its oil from Africa and Latin America.

(I specify "white leftists" because we Blacks are not in *denial* over Israel and, especially, the power of the Israel lobby and its powerful constituent, even semi-governmental, organizations -- like JINSA, the precursor of the more well-known neocon-dominated "Project for a New American Century" that wants the U.S. to engage in *permanent militarism*, ...for whom/what?)

But, when I publicly asked *SCOTT RITTER* at his packed-auditorium event in Oakland, before, if he thought a major part of the war in Iraq -- and *even* progressive Zionist Phyllis Bennis, on the Pacifica radio program Democracy Now, had to admit the U.S. saber-rattling and *aching* for war against Iran-- was due to Israel and the Israel lobby -- Ritter was honest enough to say (with additional explication), "Of course!"

Joseph Anderson
Berkeley, CA

www.zombietime.com/berkeley_marines_2-12-2008/

Joseph Anderson

Homeless, (unless he can find some woman to house him), ignorant and vicious, this coward and Berkeley denizen especially likes to threaten women and people who support Israel. He especially hates Jews. He once boasted about having a homeless advocate removed from her job at a homeless advocacy newspaper because of her support of Israel. Below is a quote from Joseph Anderson on Indymedia that we believe says it all about this disgusting individual and his hatred for Jews and support for terrorism. The ISM refuses to condemn or disassociate themselves from him. And, after all, why should they? He really espouses what they all feel. The fact that he is more stupid than the others in not using doublespeak does not change a thing:

: www.indybay.org/news/2005/02/1724226_comment.php

stoptheism.com/Default.asp
Quoted from Joseph Anderson:

YO, AVRAM!
by JA Tuesday, Mar. 01, 2005 at 8:01 AM

Personally, I *EXULT* everytime I see an Israeli Jew bite the dust. And the same goes for their American cousins! EVERY SINGLE JEW EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD is a just and appropriate target for anti-colonialist liberation! We need to start targeting *EVERY* synagogue, *EVERY* Jew community center, school and everywhere else that you racist devils preach and propogate your agenda.

BOUT TO MEET YO MAKER, JEWBOY? HA, HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

He was also escorted out of Walt and Mersheimer's talk, locally- apparently they aeren't anti-Semitic enough for him

Yep. Thats Joseph.
And he continually pulls the "race" card- and uses it to excuse inexcusable behavior on his part.
He is such an embarrassment to the progressive left, that I wonder if he could be a Zionist plant? They do that, you know. He is generally more disruptive than the sprinkling of Israel supporters that attend progressive events.
Any what is wrong with our local Indymedia? Why are we having this conversation in Baltimore? Why does our local IMC sanction this man's behavior?

[ 19 Feb 2008
by Wendy

"He was also escorted out of Walt and Mersheimer's talk, locally- apparently they aeren't anti-Semitic enough for him." ]

Wronggg again, _NA_tionalist _ZI_onist: I *walked* out of the M-W event -- because the *liberal Zionist* moderator was, ahem, *blacklisting* me.

But, that's okay, M & W have accepted my phone calls at their respective offices. They recognize courage, intelligence and intellectual incisivness. And I sat down and had an amiable conversation with both of them after both of their Berkeley events. This so: including my disagreements with their acquiescing to a Jewish-supremacist state -- and stupid of them, because it doesn't make you ZIONUTS like M&W any moreso. But, it's, no doubt, a bone M&W throw out to you ZIONUTS so you JDL/Mossad wanna-be's don't try to assassinate them -- which, hmmm, they took *no* objection to my publicly, as well as telephonically, calling Zionism a *rrracist* ideology and Israel a *rrracist* state. (When's the last time M &/or W have ever taken one of *your* phone calls at their office and respectively talked for about 20 minutes each. Hmmm...?

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Yep. Thats Joseph. ...He is such an embarrassment to the progressive left, ]

But you Zionist HYPOCRITES are ANATHEMA to the progressive left. We'll take Joseph ANY day.

NEW YORK *AND* LONDON protesters call for Valentine’s boycott of Israeli Zionist Leviev's jewelry store, over Israeli settlements.

*NEW YORK*, NY, Feb 9, 2008 – Forty-five protesters called on Madison Avenue shoppers to boycott the jewelry store of Israeli billionaire and settlement magnate Lev Leviev this Saturday, the last major shopping day before Valentine’s Day. The protest was the *SEVENTH* organized by the New York activist group Adalah-NY since Leviev’s store opened in mid-November.

*LONDONERS* also joined the campaign to boycott Leviev, with 25 human rights activists picketing outside Leviev’s Old Bond St. (fashionable shopping street) store (in London) Saturday. The protesters in NEW YORK *and* LONDON oppose Leviev’s construction of Israeli settlements on Occupied Palestinian land in violation of international law, as well as his abuse of marginalized communities in Angola, where he mines diamonds, and in New York City where he develops real estate.

Facing the shop window at LEVIEV New York which was emblazoned with the words “Celebrate Love with Leviev” in pink, the New York protesters carried red, heart-shaped signs saying “Settlements are Heartless,” “Have a Heart Leviev” and “Won’t You be Just.”

Protesters sang a parody, vaudeville-style version of “Diamonds Are a Girls Best Friend,” including the lyrics:

“Lev grows bold,
With billions sold,
And Palestine starves while you spend,”

“No matter what they say,
Apartheid's the endgame,
Lev's diamonds are a crime's best friend.”

Lev explained, “Lev means never having to say you’re sorry.”

See photos and full story: nyc.indymedia.org/en/2008/02/94633.html

Lev's Diamonds Are A Crime's Best Friend
See NYC video: www.youtube.com/watch

"Oh Boycott! Boycott! Boycott!" Caroling against Leviev
See NYC video: www.youtube.com/watch

"Boycott Leviev.Stop Israel building settlement in Palestine."
See London video: www.youtube.com/watch

19 Feb 2008
by immature and agressive?:

"he continually pulls the "race" card- and uses it to excuse inexcusable behavior"

YO, AVRAM!
by JA Tuesday, Mar. 01, 2005 at 8:01 AM

Personally, I *EXULT* everytime I see an Israeli Jew bite the dust. And the same goes for their American cousins! EVERY SINGLE JEW EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD is a just and appropriate target for anti-colonialist liberation! We need to start targeting *EVERY* synagogue, *EVERY* Jew community center, school and everywhere else that you racist devils preach and propogate your agenda.

BOUT TO MEET YO MAKER, JEWBOY? HA, HA HA!!!!!!!!!!

"He especially hates Jews"

he just gets right under you zionists skin, don't he.

hahaha...

Wasn't Hatem Batezian the modertor? Why don't you call him a Zionist to his face, Joseph?
Lots of people ddin't get called on- there were hundreds in the room and only limited time. You are the only one that had a tantrum, through.

"He was also escorted out of Walt and Mersheimer's talk, locally- apparently they aeren't anti-Semitic enough for him." ]

Wronggg again, _NA_tionalist _ZI_onist: I *walked* out of the M-W event -- because the *liberal Zionist* moderator was, ahem, *blacklisting* me.

No, Joseph. This s what a boycott looks like. Feel right at home, don't you?

So, Joseph, I realize you are banned, but consider this:
That very large drug store near your house just became the local distributor of a new line of Israeli cosmetics based on Dead sea mud. Good stuff- try the body butter.
Boycott? more like a buycott!

dum-ass zionist: "Wasn't Hatem Batezian the modertor?"

Not unless he shaved, grew his hair long, had it in a perm, and came disguised as a short _woman_!

haha...

(And learn to spell his name, dum-ass zionist.)

So, Wronggg again, _NA_tionalist _ZI_onist!

dum-ass zionist: "there were hundreds in the room"

nice turn-out for two people you zionists don't want others to hear, huh?

haha...

(zionists aren't dangerous because they have _brains_: just like any other mashuga [yiddish for crazy] mass killers it's because they have too many _guns_!)

_OUR_ turn...:

_NA_tionalist _ZI_onistS

Oh, it was George Bisharat! All dem anti-semites talk alike.

Yep, you were tossed out on your ass, bub....whimpering like a schoolgirl "Don't tas me bro"

I DON'T KNOW, TW..., I THINK THAT TIA HUN-NEE IS A *KINKOID* (NOT ONLY A ZIONOID) TOO!!
by JA • Tuesday, Oct. 25, 2005 at 5:22 PM

BUT, TIA HUN-NEE IS STARTING TO TURN ME ON!!

SHE *LLLIKES* THOSE ASS WHIPPINGS!!

[ FFFFFFFT -- FFFT -- TSSSSHHH!! ]

OOOOoooo...!! THAT WORKS FOR *MEEE-EEE*!!

WHAT A ***HOT*** LITTLE ZIONIST TURN-ONNN....!!

(THE *CRRRAZY* GIRLS ARE ALWAYS THE BEST SADOMASOCHISM-LOVING **FREAKS**!!

HA-HA-HA...!!

add your comments

OH...!!! WHIP ME AGAIN!!! ...YOU _BIG_ BBBADDD MANDINGO!!!

I'll NEVER settle for a dweeby zioboy anymore.

dum-ass zionist: "Oh, it was George Bisharat!"

not unless he shaved, grew his hair long, had it in a perm, and came disguised as a short _woman_ too!

haha...

guess you weren't even there!

(_HINT_: it _WASN'T_ A MAN, dum-ass zionist!)

so WRONGGG again, _NA_tionalist _ZI_onist!

as JA says, dem zionist boys jes' crack me up!!

(zionists aren't dangerous because they have _brains_: just like any other mashuga [yiddish for crazy] mass killers it's because they have _guns_!)

"WHAT A ***HOT*** LITTLE ZIONIST TURN-ONNN [TIA]....!!"

Shall I post photos of you from BOTH Walt and Mersheimer talks?

"WHAT A ***HOT*** LITTLE ZIONIST TURN-ONNN [TIA]....!!"

Lust away all you want, loser. I only date within my own species.

by (Tia) sorry. not interested
21 Feb 2008:
"Lust away all you want, loser. I only date within my own _SUB-species_."

Don't be so hard on yourself Tia (you're the best we zionists could do). Anyway, that's not what you said before when you helped us zionists entrap JA:

[ FFFFFFFT -- FFFT -- TSSSSHHH !!!
by TIA (arch-zionist)
21 Feb 2008

OH...!!! WHIP ME AGAIN!!! ...YOU _BIG_ BBBADDD MANDINGO!!!

I'll NEVER settle for a dweeby zioboy anymore. ]

Anyway I hear that JA is into conquering wild animals! (Wink-wink...!)

'Afraid to leave my yard'

We have heard one of the darkest indictments of Internet society from Kathy Sierra. She is the brilliant tech blogger who found threats of sexual violence and murder, including obscene photoshopped images, posted on her web site. "I have cancelled all speaking engagements. I am afraid to leave my yard. I will never feel the same. I will never be the same." Sierra links her experience to a bullying sexism that pervades too many online forums. "I do not want to be part of a culture -- the Blogosphere -- where this is considered acceptable. Where the price for being a blogger is Kevlar-coated skin . . .

Not only was I there Joseph, but you gave me one of your word salad screeds you had prepared for the occassion. You've always longed for my approval, Joseph. Always.

And Joseph- your "open" letter has been reprinted all over, not because it was admired, but because it was hysterical. A virtual window into your desperate lonely soul. Its a plea for attention, Joseph, and it worked. Except we are all still laughing.
Including this guy:

stoptheism.com/Default.asp

And Joseph- why do you use the spray on hair to cover the thin spots? When you sweat, it runs down you face in dark streaks. The look is rather extra-terrestrial

And Joseph- do you really think Becky could have gotten close enough to take this photo? Don't you even know what Becky looks like by now- her photo is all over the Web. So is mine, btw. Oh, you anti-Zionists are sooo dense.

You mean *this* just wondering?

sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698659.php

(snip)

just wondering

(snip)

Tia, are you FALLING for that Joseph? You were supposed to be one of us! We thought you were a full-blown hardcore zionist Tia! And Tia now you say that you _love_ being _whipped_ and _degraded_ by that JA while you're called a _hypocrite_ and a _racist zionist pig_? And now Tia you're calling him your "_BIG_ BBBADDD MANDINGO!!!"? Does he take you out to those nice restaurants, like those expensive and upscale restaurants in Berkeley and San Francisco that we always see him at with cute women? And Tia what do you mean, "I'll NEVER settle for a dweeby zioboy anymore."?

Palestine is _ours_! We came from Europe and _took_ it! We're the CHOSEN people! Remember Tia? Tia, if we zionists could write great online articles in progressive political and literary journals like Joseph would you come back to our hardcore zionist side?

Finkelstein is right about one thing! We keep losing zionists one by one!

There's just something about that Joseph... They say that Joseph's a BAAAD MUTHU -- OOOooo, WATCH MY MOUTH!!

Get over it zioboys!

What's he got that we ain't got?

zioboy: "What's he got that we ain't got?"

OYYY VEYYY...!! Do you _REALLY_ need to ask zioboy?

Tia: "And Joseph- your "open" letter has been reprinted all over [by Tia/zionists]"

Keep spreading the word!

(You actually think it helps you!)

You zionists don't seem to be doing so well, and israel has become a pariah state, in the court of international moral public opinion. No moral person admires israel, including most jews (the anti-apartheid ones) from formerly apartheid south africa.

Zionism is quickly becoming as dirty a word as Nazism and Apartheid and all the other racist ideologies and all other forms of racial supremacy. Who would have guessed that zionist jews would become what they hated (Nazis)?

Sorry, Joseph. As much as you beg, you 'll never be able to "handle" me.
And as much as you beg, I'm not even going to give you a chance.
I only date within my own species.
As amusing as it is to see you whimper, you don't have a clue what it takes to win over someone like me.
Here- I'll help you out a bit. Lets start with ....sanity.

Tia: "And Joseph- your "open" letter has been reprinted all over"

But now I spread it (the letter, that is) for Joseph because I love it!

"you don't have a clue what it takes to win over someone like me."

more kinking WHIPPINGS, Tia...???

"You zionists don't seem to be doing so well"

No. Of course not. There are 1 1/4 BILLION Muslims in the world. 14 million Jews. We are the minority. We know this is a struggle, but we are determined to continue to speak truth to power. 56 Islamic states. 1 itty bitty state for the Jewish people.
Sí, Se Puede! We have right on our side. We stand for Peace. We stand with Israel.

just because you've blown your own cover here Tia..., it's not Joseph.

but thanks for spreading his message!

(baltimore indymedia -- aren't you a long way from home in california, Tia?)

You don't stand a chance with me, nazi boy. And here's why:
Our activists are cuter than your actiivsts.

(baltimore indymedia -- aren't you a long way from home in california, Tia?)

Actually yes- I made alliyah last year. But I'm back on an extended visit. Would you like to see my photos? Israelis a spectacularly beautiful country

(baltimore indymedia -- aren't you a long way from home in california, Tia?)

Actually yes- I made alliyah last year. But I'm back on an extended visit. Would you like to see my photos? Israelis a spectacularly beautiful country

Photos from Israel, my land of milk and honey.
I love this country.

Zionist: "we will continue to speak truth to power"

"truth to power"!??? -- haha -- you ARE (evil imperialist) Power! Once again, DUM zionist, you support and have yet another brutal oppressor state with the backing and/or military supply of the world's most hypocritical government (2nd to israel itself) and superpower: the U.S.!

Interesting...

But all those prominent moral ANTI-ZIONIST JEWS -- Illan Pappe, Lenni Brenner, Joel Kovel, Jeffrey Blankfort, Joel Beinin, Dahlia Wasfi, Nora Barrows-Friedman, Barbara Lubin, Ralph Shoenman, Dennis Bernstein, even Norman Finkelstein, the late Israel Shahak, even younger ones in their 20's like Anna Baltzer (see her new book, Witness in Palestine), and others -- writing and/or speaking out around the world about the evils of israel and zionism. You zionist jews and your israel lobby even try to silence them! But more and more it's less and less working.

Yep, zionism is going to fall one day just like slavery, nazism, apartheid, and all those other homicidally racist ideologies.

"Yep, zionism is going to fall one day"

Maybe. There are so many enemies, and so few friends. Nasrallah and his proxy Iranian army are threatening to eliminate us. But so have others before him.
It took us 3,000 years to regain our ancient homeland. We are patient people. If we lose Israel, we will wait. We'll get it back.

To Joseph Anderson;

Mental ilness is still illness. May HaShem heal your disturbed mind.

Yeah, but what do you know about morals etc? Joseph Anderson is well known for twisting anything to fit his crazed racist agenda.

1. Becky, bless her sweet heart, always posts under her full name and includes her email. Shes a brave and intrepid soul. I adore her.
2. Becky, bless her sweet heart, is an accomplished professional writer. She actually pays attention to the rules of grammar and spelling. I personally find that spelling and grammar are simply tools that society imposes on us to stiffle our creativity.

Tia: "Israel, my land of milk and honey"

("honey": is _that_ what that red stuff is under bombed Palestinian families in Gaza and bombed buses in Israel?)

"Well, didn't God punish Hebrews/Israelites before in the Bible for breaking his moral codes?"

Maybe. I suspect G-d has long abandonned this planet and is vacationing elsewhere- perhaps somewhere cleaner and nicer, with all you can eat buffets and a rock-climbing wall.... Its all too clear we are on our own.
Not that this means we should give up on prayer/worship/hope for the future. As long as we realize that change and progress are in OUR hands alone.
Sorry, yid- I know you don't agree.

Isn't that the WACKO zionoid that Joseph got _FIRED_ from her writing "cover job" at the American Friends Service Committe in Berkeley or Oakland, CA, when he told them, and gave them a dossier on, what a zionist _WACKO_ she was?

You zionuts HUFFED and PUFFED 'till you nearly blew your brains out! But to no avail. BOOO-HOOO...!

YES, the smell of getting a _zionist_ FIRED is NEVER too SWEET!

Nah- I think thats cinnamon.

Joseph hardly looks African American. He does need a bit of color. I'm not sure red is his best choice, however

Tia: "Israel is a spectacularly beautiful country"

And its only bloomed under our tender care.

Mark Twain -- Samuel Clemens -- took a tour of Palestine when it was under Ottoman rule in 1867. This is how he described that land.
He said: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse. We never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

And from Ziff, The Rape of palestine, written in 1936:

"Fully 75% of the area in Jewish hands morever has not known the plough for centuries. The northern colonies in Galilee were built on land rendered impossible for life since roman times because of marsh and endemic disease. Tel Aviv was erected on sand dunes which were considered without monetary value. The great granary, the valley of Jezreel, now nestling so trim and green in the shining sun, wa sso deserted and pestilential when Jews bought it that it was said any bird trying to cross it would fall dead in its flight."

It was _MY_ best choice... Besides, Joseph, I mean.

mmmmm..., Mmmmm..., MMMMMM...!!

;-)

zionist: "Joseph hardly looks African American."

And here's what Saint David had to say about your public debacle, Joseph:

Hilarious!
by gehrig • Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM

Jack Ass slapped down by Stürmin' Nürmin. Hilarious!

@%<

Indeed it was, Gehrig. Indeed it was.

--Especially, for many Jews, in the U.S. and Canada, as well as even today in Europe !

Lenni Brenner says that because of Israel's and Zionism's increasingly shameful, embarrassing and bad name as _a morally failed state and ideology_, and maybe eventually as a politically failed state too, as Israel increasingly descends into a pariah state, that more and more, especially younger, American Jews will decide to just pass as _Gentiles_. Today, Brenner says, many Jewish high school and college student in the West, having been raised in more socially equal and egalitarian societies (whatever their shortcomings), rather than in states with explicit _official_ racial and religiously-defined state ideologies, are hesitant to, or don't, even say they are Jewish anymore.

"Today, Brenner says, many Jewish high school and college student in the West... are hesitant to, or don't, even say they are Jewish anymore."

Not these College students!!!!
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8481/index.php

"UC Berkeley stands in solidarity with Israel"

Lenni's right and wrong. Anti-Semitism is on the rise- I've worked with students in the past, and many of them are hestitant to admit they are Jewish out of fear. Fear. Not embarrassment.

Quick story.
I was the only counterprotestor at an anti-Israel demo on campus a few years back. It was awkward, but I'm a feisty little thing and I knew I could deal with it. At one point a boy came over to me-I asked him "Can I tell you about Israel's security barrier?" and he said "I already know". He turned out to be a Israeli of Iraqi descent- his grandparents had been kicked out of Iraq simply because they were Jewish. The family had lived there for hundreds of years. He had not told anyone he was a Jewish Israeli because of the anti-Semitism he saw on campus. He was afraid. And to watch me, alone and surrounded by hostility empowered him to speak. He stayed with me the entire time and he learned from me that the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to say nothing. And today he is one of the leading spokepersons for Israel on campus.
Yep. I'm proud.

And, after 2,000 years we've gone BACK for it all the way from Europe and the U.S.! (I know, oyyy veyyy, it's a claim that's literally worse than medieval! [blush] So, what should I SAY already!?)

____________________________________________________________________

[ "But of course, the kinds of folks who push an ideology that required the expulsion of three-quarters-of-a-million Palestinians from their lands, and then lied about it, claiming there had been no such persons to begin with (as with Golda Meir’s infamous quip), can’t be expected to place a very high premium on truth."

--Tim Wise (another anti-Zionist, anti-racist, Jewish-American lecturer),
Fraud Fit For A King: Israel, Zionism, And The Misuse Of MLK
www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-01/20wise.cfm ]

Just how many "refugees" were there?
Several sources at the time came up with widely different numbers:
Faris el Khoury, Syrian rep. to UN says 250,000 in 5/48.
Emil Ghoury said 200,000 by 9/48
Folke Bernadotte said 300,000 by 9/48
Red Cross said 350,000 by 2/49
UN estimates 750,000 in total by 1948

However, Israel repatriated many of them, so even those figures should be lower. And many of them lefty because they didn't want to live among Jews. Sad but true.
But don't let the facts get in the way of your ideology- good old Norman Finkelstein never has.

Check out _these_ ANTI-ZIONIST Berkeley students!:
www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/02/06/18477420.php

Notice they are _JEWISH_ (including some of the speakers!), Palestinian/Arab, white Gentile, Asian, Black, Latino -- students of ALL colors.

...NOW, notice the Zionist students, the Blueshirts (blue is the new brown for Israel), in the background photo: 99.9% WHITE.

"But of course, the kinds of folks who push an ideology that required the expulsion of three-quarters-of-a-million Palestinians from their lands, and then lied about it, claiming there had been no such persons to begin with (as with Golda Meir’s infamous quip), can’t be expected to place a very high premium on truth."

--Tim Wise (JEWISH-American, anti-Zionist, anti-racist lecturer),

"Fraud Fit For A King: Israel, Zionism, And The Misuse Of MLK"
www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-01/20wise.cfm

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keep trying, zioboys.

The photos here show more diversity:
israel.indymedia.org/newswire/display/8481/index.php

Jews come in all colors
So do Zionists

Its about empowerment.
Its about a group of students TODAY and not a few years ago who decided that they were not going to be silent any more.
Good for them.
Its been a slow process.
For the first time in years, a group of students on campus has decided it wasn't going to cower in the face of hate, nor would it cede the campus to the haters.
Whats even more important is that this scene is playing out on campuses all over the country. And this scene is playing out on streets all over teh country. Organizations like Baltimore Stands With Israel, and San Francisco Voice for Israel, and many many others have said "Enough"
Enough to the hate.
Enough to the lies.
Enough to the demonization
We stand for Peace. We Stand with Israel

zionist: "But I'm a feisty little thing"
Like a chihuahua!?

Hmmm. Maybe not. More like a wolverine.
Yeah. Like a wolverine. Or a pine marten.

No, sweetheart- it was the Arbs harrassing the Jews. Did you ever finish high school? You should consider getting a GED- you have so much to learn

www.nysun.com/article/38350
A friend wrote this. It gives you a taste of what life was like for Jews in Arab lands

‘Jews Are Our Dogs'
By JOSEPH WAHED
August 22, 2006


A man brazenly shoots his way into the Jewish Federation of Seattle, kills a woman, and wounds four others, three critically. As he opens fire, the alleged assailant shouts, "I am a Muslim and I'm angry at Israel," as if to indicate that his religious affiliation gives him permission to kill Jews.

In a second incident, Mel Gibson, a Hollywood director and actor, is arrested in Malibu on suspicion of drunk driving. He allegedly screams at the officer, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," not realizing that nearly all today's wars are Islamic wars. He also asks his arresting officer, "Are you Jewish?"

While Jew hating is not a new phenomena, it has recently become the insult de riguer in many parts of our society. And it isn't just gun-toting rampagers or drunk celebrities — the hatred is evident in the streets. Nowhere is that clearer than in a third recent incident, in which Palestinian Arabs in the streets of San Francisco chant proudly in Arabic and without fear of being castigated, "The Jews are our dogs."

It happened at an anti-Israel demonstration in front of the Israeli consulate in San Francisco on Thursday, July 12, organized by a Palestinian group called Al Awda. The demonstration was loud, boisterous, and passionate. Suddenly, demonstrators began chanting in Arabic "Al Yahud Kelabna," "the Jews are our dogs."

As troubling as it is to hear such sentiment voiced on a street in America, it was even more distressing for me since it conjured up terrible memories of when I was a young boy growing up in Egypt. These memories included Egyptian mobs descending upon the Jewish quarter of Cairo chanting "Al Yahud Kelabna," followed by violence that left some Jews dead and injured and the community dazed.

Egyptian Muslim mobs no longer do this, but only because there is no longer an Egyptian Jewish community to speak of. We once were over 80,000. Today there are fewer than 50 Jews remaining in Egypt, according to one official tally. Indeed, once thriving Jewish communities in 10 Arab countries were likewise cleansed. Today, only about 5,000 Jews remain in the Arab Muslim world, mostly in Morocco and Tunisia. Arab sympathizers blame the creation of Israel, but in reality Middle Eastern Jewry began to deteriorate years before Israel was established.

At the beginning of the 20th century, Egypt was a much more cosmopolitan place than it is today. Whatever the broader ills of colonialism, Egypt under British rule was at least a place where Muslims, Jews, and Christians got along fairly harmoniously. But all this began to change as the Muslim Brotherhood, a radical Islamic group two of the offspring of which are Hamas and Al Qaeda, began agitating against both the British and the Jews.

Along with the rise of Arab nationalism and Arab independence, life for Jews in Egypt and other Arab countries became intolerable. All this started happening years before Israel was established. Within a 20-year period starting in 1945, nearly a million Jews were forced out of Arab countries. Being Jewish was criminalized in Egypt in the late 1940s. Other Arab states such as Iraq, Libya, and Syria, passed similar laws. Jews began facing iron walls of discrimination and harassment by the authorities. Most of us were dispossessed. Our schools, homes, synagogues, businesses, farms, and hospitals, were all confiscated by Arab governments. Our rich, 3,000-year-old culture and heritage was decimated. No trial, no jury, no justice.

The demonstrators in San Francisco last week attacked Jews, not Israel. They did it in Arabic, perhaps thinking that only they would be in on the "joke." They didn't count on a group of indigenous Middle Eastern Jewish "dogs" being present at the counter rally across the street. In Arab culture, dogs are considered filthy, dirty beasts, and negotiating with "dogs" is not an option. Jews were often identified this way because for centuries we were living as a subjected people under the dominant culture of Islam.

We were a "protected" minority living under a religious caste system where we had to wear identifiable clothes, pay a special tax, were not allowed to ride horses, were forced to live in ghettoes, and were subjected to other indignities. Our fortunes fluctuated with the benevolence of whoever was ruling at the time. When the ruler was fair and just, Jews prospered. Otherwise, watch out. Massacres of Jews by Arab Muslims were not unknown. While most people know how European Jews suffered, little is known of the Jews of the Arab world.

Today, the Middle Eastern Muslim world is the most anti-Semitic of any region. Much of their media — television programs, cartoons, editorials — promote the kind of anti-Semitism not seen or heard since the time when Hitler walked the earth. In many mosques, too, throughout the region, religious leaders who are quick to take offense over such matters as cartoons about Islam regularly teach the vilest anti-Jewish defamation.

The effects of this "education" are seen and felt even in San Francisco, where a crowd of young Arab men and women feel perfectly free to chant "Al Yahud Kelabna." As long as Palestinian and other Arab children are taught such dehumanizing hatred of Jews, there is no hope for them, and there is no hope for us. Peace in the Middle East will not come with the next ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah, but only when tolerance, compassion, understanding, and respect for religious freedom become the dominant value in Arab society. When Arab young people honestly feel too ashamed to chant about Jews being "our dogs," then there will be real hope.

go to Israel IMC and see the photos posted there. follow the link from this site- even you can handle that, huh?

There are always racist ideologues who attempt to divide others (all too successfully, all too often, it seems), with the concoction of a racist ideology, and the idea of a racially inferior people, and its supporting propaganda or mythology, for personal, usually financial, gain of the elite ideologues (or, at the lower levels of society, the granting of various legal and institutional social privileges over the racially discriminated): to make others THE OTHER -- and to get the racially privileged even lower-classes to go along. This has been especially true by European Christians _and_ by European Jews (even against non-European Jews). And Israel has become perhaps the most economically unequal nation, not just, of course, between Palestinians and Jews, but even between Jews (there are even elderly Holocaust survivors left poor by the state of Israel, as Israel continues to shake-down "reparations" money from European corporations), and Israel is one of the most politically-financially corrupt nations (even up to the israeli prime minister's office), in the Western world. In addition, the Israeli Jewish organized crime sex trafficking of kidnapped young Eastern European and 3rd World women is widely tolerated by Israel (which has even been harshly criticized by international bodies and human rights organizations); pedophilia is widespread and tolerated in Israel; domestic abuse is almost rampant; poor 3rd World foreign workers are widely exploited; Israel is an extremely patriarchal society (some Jewish women have left because of it), and there is even an underground sado-masochism "HOLOCAUST pornography" industry in Israel. Furthermore, as history of Zionism and Israel scholar Lenni Brenner, and other anti-zionist jewish scholars, have pointed out, whenever Israel's founding zionists' choices were between saving Israel and actually saving Jews, Israel's founding Zionists ALWAYS chose ISRAEL.

The story below is not the first time, or the first place in the European or Arab world, that Arabs and Muslims saved Jews in 20th century. It's just one of the numerous LOST STORIES of history.

And Zionist Jews certainly don't want us to know about it. Because it would PROVE that Arabs and Muslims don't hate JEWISH PEOPLE; ...Arabs and Muslims hate JEWISH _RACISM_!

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"THE MOSQUE THAT SHELTERED JEWS"

- by Annette Herskovits

"I know this because I was a hidden child. When my parents were deported from Paris to Auschwitz in June of 1943, never to return, my 13-year-old sister and myself, just turned four, were in a foster home in the French countryside. With no more money coming for our keep and the danger to people sheltering Jews, our foster parents balked at keeping us.

...

I learned of Muslims who helped rescue Jewish children only recently, in the newsletter of Enfants CachŽs (Hidden Children), an association of Jews who survived the Holocaust in France as children.

...

More than 1,700 people are thought to have found short-term shelter in apartments on or near the grounds of the mosque. Benghabrit set up an alert system that allowed fugitives to disappear swiftly in case of a raid - if necessary to the prayer room's women's section, where men were normally not admitted. He wrote numerous false birth certificates making Jewish children into Muslims.

...

In these times of mutual hatred, a hatred that is sustained by distorted views of the "other," the story of Muslims saving Jewish children struck me as one Jews and Arabs especially should hear. This history strengthens my sense that mutuality and harmony make up the natural fabric of human relations. Division and cruelty are like torn places in that fabric. Surely, at certain times and places the tearing can be so thorough that it seems the fabric is not there. But that is an illusion.

...

Enmities between peoples come and go depending on intricate historical, psychological, and economic forces. Political powers will conceal or twist reality to suit their own ends. For most of the 1400 years since Islam's birth, Jews and Muslims lived in relative harmony in Arab lands."

www.thestreetspirit.org/Feb2005/mosque.htm

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews....” Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut.

See:

la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php

zionist: "In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary."

Look, Zionists are the same people who claimed that Palestine was "a land without a people"! So why would anyone trust a zionist from the get-go.

Well, assuming that much of this zionist propaganda is true or untwisted, _NOT_ EVEN THE ZIONISTS WOULD CLAIM THAT THOSE 2,000 "MUSLIM VOLUNTEERS" WERE _PALESTINIANS_, LET ALONE EVEN _ARABS_ -- because such a ridiculous claim would be easily torn to shreds: the purported volunteers were _WHITE EUROPEANS_!

THE MUFTI COMMANDED _NO_ ARMY AND NO GOVERNMENT -- HE WASN'T EVEN IN CONTROL OF PALESTINE: THE _BRITISH_ WERE!

AT THAT TIME PALESTINE WAS A _BRITISH_ MANDATE.

IN FACT, ZIONIST _TERRORISTS_ GANGS _ATTACKED_ THE BRITISH!

THE MUFTI MAY HAVE SOUGHT ALLIANCES WITH HITLER BECAUSE THE NAZIS WERE THE ENEMY OF THE BRITISH.

BUT, THE ZIONISTS _COLLABORATED_ WITH THE _NAZIS_ TO GET THE BRITISH OUT OF PALESTINE TOO!

THE ZIONISTS EVEN OFFERED TO FIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE _NAZIS_ !!

THE ZIONISTS EVEN OFFERED TO _TRADE_ WITH THE NAZIS!!

THE ZIONAZIS WANTED TO WIPE _PALESTINE_ OFF THE MAP LIKE HITLER WANTED TO WIPE _POLAND_ OFF THE MAP! -- BUT THE ZIONAZIS HAVE BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN HITLER.

In fact, Jewish author Lenni Brenner, one of the world's foremost scholars on the history of Zionism, wrote a whole BOOK on how the ZIONISTS collaborated with the _NAZIS_ in his book:

_51 DOCUMENTS: ZIONIST COLLABORATION WITH THE NAZIS_!!

And in fact, Israel's first prime minister, David Ben Gurion, said that if he could save HALF the Jewish children of Nazi Germany OR have the state of Israel, he would let ALL the Jewish children of Nazi German DIE, and have the state of Israel!

Now is that a SICKO or what!?

What next?: are you zionists going to trot out that phony Martin Luther King letter of yours again purporting to support a zionist state? Because I'm waiting to shoot that one down again too! Actually the letter was widely _discredited_ by an anti-zionist JEW!

Are you zionists going to trot out your book, "From Time Immemmorial", again? The Zio-Nazi Jewish 'Mein Kampf' -- that's also been totally _discredited_.

What next, Zionuts?

Bring it ON...!!

by [a zionist] This was more common
22 Feb 2008
"In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, twisted propaganda, twisted propaganda, twisted propaganda, blah, blah, blah..."

(Btw, there was MORE than _one_ Mufti in the whole wide world. He no more represented ALL Arabs and/or Muslims anymore than _one_ Rabbi represents ALL Jews. Maybe we should use one negative Rabbi to stereotype ALL Jews.)

Zionist Jews do this because they WANT THE LAND -- SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND -- WITHOUT THE PEOPLE -- and Zionists Jews just IGNORE anything MORALLY INCONVENIENT -- just like the original NAZIS.

Ref. above: "THE MOSQUE THAT SHELTERED JEWS" - by Annette Herskovits (online). "ARABS SAVED JEWS FROM THE HOLOCAUST AS TOLD BY A FRENCH JEW"

The Mufti that was a friend and confident of Hitler was the Grand Mufti- al Husseni- the head of the Palestinians during the 2nd world War.

The fact that SOME Muslims helped SOME Jews is as irrelevant as the fact that SOME Germans helped SOME Jews. It was only in Bulgaria and in Denmark where MOST people helped the Jews.

Zionist terrorist Menachem Begin bombed Hitler's enemies at the very height of the war.

See:

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/irgun.html

Irgun Zeva'i Le'umi
“The National Military Organization” (Etzel, I.Z.L.)

(snip)

From 1943 Etzel was headed by Menachem Begin. In February 1944, Etzel declared war against the British administration. It attacked and blew up government offices, military installations and police stations.

(snip)

by Grand Mufti loved Hitler
22 Feb 2008
"The fact that SOME Muslims helped SOME Jews is as irrelevant as the fact that SOME Germans helped SOME Jews."

Q.E.D.: see title line.

Is it as relevant as the fact that MANY leading Zionist Jews COLLABORATED with the _NAZIS_!? -- even offered to fight on the side of the _NAZIS_?

Joseph- they banned/blocked you once already today- don't you learn from your mistakes?

22 Feb 2008
by doesn't learn from his mistakes
"Joseph- they banned/blocked you once already today- don't you learn from your mistakes?"

Did they?

When?

I hadn't noticed.

Yeah, I guess he'll just never learn!

You'd be SURPRISED just how MANY times he'll never learn.

;-)

doesn't learn from his mistakes: "Joseph- they banned/blocked you once already today- don't you learn from your mistakes?"

Are you kidding! Damn near this whole thread is about Joseph!

doesn't learn from his mistakes: "Joseph- they banned/blocked you once already today- don't you learn from your mistakes?"

P.S. I see a BIG comment post of Joseph's written in classic Joseph style!

One group of Muslims in one community saved some Jews.
This was the exception, not the rule.

The Muslim community , under the leadership of the grand Mufti al Husseni conspired with Hitler wipe out the Jewish people. In communities where the people refused to cooperate with nazi orders (Denmark and Bulgaria) the majority of the Jewish citizens were saved. In almost all of the other communities, the vast majority of Jews were wiped out.

From the supreme religious leader of the palestinian people, theGrand Mufti`s own Memoirs:

In his memoirs after the war, Husayni noted that "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: `The Jews are yours".

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The Muslim community, the Umma, was *never* under the leadership of the grand Mufti al Husseni. At most, a tiny minority of Muslims in one part of the world followed him. He was no more the leader of all Muslims than Billy Graham was the leader of all Christians, or Mao the leader of all Communists. To claim otherwise is no different than claiming that all jews are followers of Kahane.

For more on the subject, see:

la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php

He was the leader of the Palestinian Muslims. The title Grand Mufti refers to the highest official of religious law in a Sunni area . He wasn't any small potato.

And one mufti (even if that zionist propaganda argument were true) would give European Jews the right to go take ALL of historic Palestine and steal all the Palestinians land, dispossesing MILLIONS of Palestinians -- _HOW_???

Well, then -- by that argument -- zionists should take _ITALY_ because "Mussolini loved Hitler" even more! By that argument zionists should take _SOUTHERN FRANCE_ because "Marshall Petain of Vichy, France, loved Hitler" even more! By that argument zionists should go take _CROATIA_ because the "Croatian Ustasha loved Hitler" even more! These countries actually had and commanded ARMIES that were part of the Nazi Axis! Or, by that argument, zionists should go take one of the Baltic states (like Estonia) that allied with Hitler. All these governments sent Jews to their deaths -- and in the case of Croatia, exterminated Jews (as well as Serbs and Roma people).

Zionists should be given land in the U.S. -- like half the state of New York (as a Jewish friend of mine said, "We've pretty much colonized half the state anyway") or New Jersey -- where Jews will be safe -- since the U.S. government claims to love Jews so much and has many prominent Jewish politicians!

Two Thirds of historic palestine is now Jordan.

Where does this word "all" come from?

Its hard to know, since there was never an independent nation of Palestine.

[ 23 Feb 2008
by YES ZIONISTS-_R_-DUM!

(zionut)doesn't learn from his mistakes: "Joseph- they banned/blocked you once already today- don't you learn from your mistakes?"

P.S. I see a BIG comment post of Joseph's written in classic Joseph style! ]

No one can stop *HIM*!!

_NO ONE_ has a right to go _1,000's OF MILES_ to entirely _ANOTHER CONTINENT_, at that, and try to reverse _2,000 YEARS_ of human migration and to "claim" and _COLONIZE_ the land of their _ANCIENT RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS_ -- homicidally _STEALING_ the land of _MILLIONS_ of native people -- in a land in which only _PARTS OF_ those ancient religious ancestors themselves only _TEMPORARILY HELD_ political and geographical control -- AND THOSE RELIGIOUS ANCESTORS WEREN'T EVEN THE _FIRST_ ONES THERE ANYWAY!

_NO ONE_!!

AND _NO OTHER_ PEOPLE OR COUNTRY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WOULD ACCEPT SUCH A CLAIM -- ESPECIALLY NOT THE U.S.!

(We don't even like _Mexicans_ coming here -- and they're not even trying to impose their own state on us! As Gandhi said, the home of European Jews was in _Europe_.)

THE ZIONIST CLAIM IS A _MASHUGA_ (CRRR-RRRAZZZY) CLAIM THAT IS LITERALLY _WORSE THAN MEDIEVAL_!!!

[ Joseph Anderson anti-Semite and racist
22 Feb 2008
by doesn't learn from his mistakes
Joseph- they banned/blocked you once already today- don't you learn from your mistakes? ]
*ZIONISTS* complaining about racism!

Oh, the sheer *IRONY*!!

Oh, the sheer *CHUTZPAH*!!

OYYY VEYYY...!!!

(Well, I'm about to have dinner with a lovely female friend of mine at her place in north Berkeley, so I bid y'all adieu -- for now. Ooops!: she's calling me now!

You *ZIONUTS* are just too smart for me!

'Dem zioboys jes' crack me up!!)

Don't forget to give your head a fresh coat of spray, you vain, vain boy.
That stuff is terrible for the ozone layer- face the fact you are losing your hair. Deal with it.
You have friends, Joseph?
Everytime I see you you are alone, often eating an individual pizza balanced on your lap while you pretend to be absorbed in something other than your own aloneness.
Yet I don't feel sorry for you. Not a bit

onegoodmove.org/fallacy/style.htm

Style Over Substance

Definition:

The manner in which an argument (or arguer) is presented is taken to affect the likelihood that the conclusion is true.

Examples:

1. Nixon lost the presidential debate because of the sweat on his forehead.
2. Trudeau knows how to move a crowd. He must be right.
3. Why don't you take the advice of that nicely dressed young man?

Proof:

While it is true that the manner in which an argument is presented will affect whether people believe that its conclusion is true, nonetheless, the truth of the conclusion does not depend on the manner in which the argument is presented. In order to show that this fallacy is being committed, show that the style in this case does not affect the truth or falsity of the conclusion.

References:

Davis: 61

26 May 1995

In Baltimore, to call a Black man "boy" is considered to be gauche, at best. In many places, it will result in you suffering immediate bodily harm, sometimes severe. In some places, it will get you killed.

And that's how it should be.

onegoodmove.org/fallacy/attack.htm

Attacking the Person
(argumentum ad hominem)

Definition:

The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked. Alternatively, it may be pointed out that a person stands to gain from a favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be attacked by association, or by the company he keeps.

There are three major forms of Attacking the Person:
1. ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
2. ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.
3. ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes that a person does not practise what he
preaches.

Examples:

1. You may argue that God doesn't exist, but you are just following a fad. (ad hominem abusive)
2. We should discount what Premier Klein says about taxation because he won't be hurt by the increase. (ad hominem circumstantial)
3. We should disregard Share B.C.'s argument because they are being funded by the logging industry. (ad hominem circumstantial)
4. You say I shouldn't drink, but you haven't been sober for more than a year. (ad hominem tu quoque)

Proof:

Identify the attack and show that the character or circumstances of the person has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the proposition being defended.

References:

Barker: 166, Cedarblom and Paulsen: 155, Copi and Cohen: 97, Davis: 80

26 May 1995 / 06 January 1996

How does Baltimore feel when a discussion of foreign policy deteriorates into sexual name calling and attempts to sexually humilate a women?

Is that ok?
I notice you were silent throughout that

"_NO ONE_ has a right to go _1,000's OF MILES_ to entirely _ANOTHER CONTINENT"

So the "Palestinians" that came to Israel from Bosnia (yep- many Palestinians have their origin in the people of Slavic Europe) have no right to be there? Should they be kicked out?

www.manfredlehmann.com/sieg176.html

Bosnia—Motherland Of "Palestinians"

The current turmoil in former Yugoslavia cannot be understood without knowledge of the region's long history of Balkan wars, ethnic strife, religious persecution and violence. The curious aspect about all this is the existence of a Moslem pocket in the heart of Europe, and how Bosnia came to be the origin of many of today's "Palestinians."

Bosnia, in ancient times, was a Roman province called Illyricum; Christianity was introduced in the Middle Ages. For centuries Bosnia was a football between Hungary, Turkey and Serbia, which fought each other in unending bloody wars. In 1386 Turkey invaded Bosnia. In line with the tenets of Islam, the entire population was forced into conversion. The Pope in Rome preached in favor of war against the Turks, with little immediate effect. But from 1691 on, when Turkey was expelled from Transylvania, Turkey lost one area after another, until in l 878, at the Congress of Berlin, dominated by Otto von Bismarck of Germany, Turkey lost Bosnia to Austria. The result was a stream of Moslem refugees pouring out of Bosnia looking for haven in the Ottoman Empire, because—just as today—the Christian Serbs who had been suppressed brutally by the Moslems were out to take bloody vengeance on the Moslem Bosnians in an effort to settle very old accounts.

This migration of Moslem refugees marked a very important historic milestone in the history of Palestine. The Ottoman rulers adopted a policy of Moslem colonization. In 1878, an Ottoman law granted lands in Palestine to the Moslem refugees from Bosnia. In the Carmel region, in the Galilee, in the Plain of Sharon and in Caesarea, lands were distributed to the Moslem refugees from Bosnia and Herzegovina. The refugees were further attracted by l2-year tax exemptions and exemption from military service.

The same colonization policy as for Bosnian Moslem refugees was also directed toward Moslem refugees from Russia—particularly from Georgia, the Crimea and the Caucasus, called Circassians and Turkmenians—leading to their settling in Abu Gosh, near Jerusalem, and in the Golan Heights. Refugees from Algeria and Egypt were also settled in Jaffa, Gaza, Jericho and the Golan.

Thus, the often-repeated Arab claim that the Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient Canaanites is just a lie. A hundred years ago many of them lived in Europe and other countries outside Palestine. The Jews, however, have had an uninterrupted presence in the Land of Israel during the 3500 years of our history. Clearly, our claim has much more validity and strength. It is not too late for this historic truth to come out and dispel the heavy clouds of vicious propaganda and lies.

The close ties between Palestinian and Bosnian Muslims—also called "Bushnaks," their Arabic, Turkish name—was shown in World War II: The infamous mufti Hajj Amin el-Husseini, uncle of today's PLO member Faisal el-Husseini, set up an "Islamic Legion" consisting of Bushnaks to fight for Hitler. They wanted to help their Palestinian cousins by killing as many Jews as possible so that none would be left to emigrate to the land of Israel after the war.

Now that Bosnia is independent again, it should not take long before her fiercely militant Moslem President, Alija Izetbegovic, will invite the Bosnian Palestinians to return to their motherland!

"Bosnia: Motherland of the palestinians".

Otherwise from the HIGHLY DISCREDITED Zionists' 'history' book, "From Time Immemorial", by Joan Peters -- the Jewish 'Leni Riefenstahl' of anti-Palestinian/anti-Arab racist propaganda.

No academic historian in the WORLD at any accredited university -- except maybe in Israel -- takes that book seriously for a second! They'd burst out in SHEER LAUGHTER if anyone were to even try to credibly cite it as anything other than A SICK TWISTED PATHETIC JOKE!!

Anyone who even cited this article or that book in a dissertation would be LAUGHED and TOSSED OUT on their ears!

Only A STUPID FANATICALY ZIONIST IDIOT would even TRY to pass that off as real history.

If anyone doubts that, then go to any ACCREDITED university history or near eastern studies department anywhere in the world -- except ISRAEL -- and ask any professor.

Actually, no professor at an ACCREDTED university -- even in Israel -- would try to pass that article/book off a real history -- because they would be LAUGHED right out of any ACCREDITED university, symposium or lecture anywhere else in the world that they might even visit.

ROTFLMFAO!!

HaHaHaHaHa...!!

"Bosnia: Motherland of the palestinians"

Inquiring minds want to know where this piece of Zionist Jewish anti-Palestinian racist trash ORIGINALLY came from?

"Bosnia—Motherland Of Palestinians"

from

www.manfred_VON_lehmann.com/sieg_HEIL!!_176.html

checking...

www.manfredlehmann.com

Manfred Lehmann -- "A life long _NA_tionalist _ZI_onist, he was proud that at the age of 15, in 1937, he was the usher to the private loge of Chaim Weizmann at the Zionist Congress in Basle, Switzerland [didn't Switzerland harbor the original Nazi's money?]. ...Lehmann was ordained in 1946 at the Ner Israel RABBINICAL College in Baltimore. His strong love for Israel deepened throughout his life. He championed her causes, receiving the Defender of Jerusalem award in 1992 and the Maimon Prize for Hebrew Literature in 1990. Dr. Lehmann was a strong supporter of Menahem Begin [ALBERT EINSTEIN AND HANNAH ARENDT CALLED BEGIN A _FASCIST_ IN A 1942 OPEN PUBLISHED LETTER TO THE NEW YORK TIMES!] and Benyamin Netanyahu [ANOTHER FASCIST]."

Oh my gosh! Need anyone say more!

"Manfred von Lehmann died on May 30,1997"

GOOD RIDDANCE!

"The Thirteenth Tribe", by Arthur Koestler (1976, published in the U.S. by Random House; published in Great Britain by Hutchison & Co. Ltd, London; published by Omni Publications, Palmdale, CA; Library of Congress; ISBN 0-394-40284-7):

The European Jews aren't even the religious or ethnic decendents of the Jews of ancient Israel! -- besides the 2,000 years of all the inevitable Jewish-&-non-Jewish intermixing in Europe and elsewhere!

"This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but often forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in the Dark Ages BECAME CONVERTED TO JUDAISM. Khazaria was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Khan, but evidence indicates that the Khazars ["the Jews"] themselves migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western Jewry."

"...This has led several historians to conjecture that a substantial part, and perhaps the majority of eastern Jews -- and hence of world Jewry -- might be of Khazar, and not of Semitic origin."

Blah Blah Blah....He's a zionist....Blah Blah Blah....

An ad hominem is not a rebuttal. Its a way of changing the subject.

onegoodmove.org/fallacy/attack.htm

Attacking the Person
(argumentum ad hominem)

Definition:

The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked. Alternatively, it may be pointed out that a person stands to gain from a favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be attacked by association, or by the company he keeps.

There are three major forms of Attacking the Person:
1. ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
2. ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.
3. ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes that a person does not practise what he
preaches.

Examples:

1. You may argue that God doesn't exist, but you are just following a fad. (ad hominem abusive)
2. We should discount what Premier Klein says about taxation because he won't be hurt by the increase. (ad hominem circumstantial)
3. We should disregard Share B.C.'s argument because they are being funded by the logging industry. (ad hominem circumstantial)
4. You say I shouldn't drink, but you haven't been sober for more than a year. (ad hominem tu quoque)

Proof:

Identify the attack and show that the character or circumstances of the person has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the proposition being defended.

References:

Barker: 166, Cedarblom and Paulsen: 155, Copi and Cohen: 97, Davis: 80

26 May 1995 / 06 January 1996

_The Thirteenth Tribe_: "This book traces the history of the ancient Khazar Empire, a major but often forgotten power in Eastern Europe, which in the Dark Ages BECAME CONVERTED TO JUDAISM. Khazaria was finally wiped out by the forces of Genghis Khan, but evidence indicates that the Khazars ["the Jews"] themselves migrated to Poland and formed the cradle of Western Jewry."

"...This has led several historians to conjecture that a substantial part, and perhaps the majority of eastern Jews -- and hence of world Jewry -- might be of Khazar, and not of Semitic origin."

The whole thing has been nothing but a SCAM.

1) both based on purity of blood.

Nothing about Zionism relates to "purity of blood". Anyone can be a Zionist. Christian, Muslim , Jew.

2) both based on supposedly reuniting some religioethnic diaspora under one state.

nazism had nothing to do with this

3) both attempting to revive some supposedly "glorious ancient kingdom" -- some "glorious ancient Teutonic kingdom" for the original NAZIS; some "glorious ancient Judaic kingdom" for the NAtionalist ZIonistS.

Thats not the goal of Zionism. the goal was a land where the jewish people could live free from persecution- self determination.

4) both established a state that was culturally, legally, economically and religiously based to exclusively benefit one ethnic/racial group.

Israel is none of these. From the Dec. of independepence- it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

5) both based on violent racist exclusion and a highly intricate complex of racial exclusion laws (like Israel's racial 'Nuremberg laws').
Israel is among the most welcoming and diverse of all nations in the middle east. look how many Sudanese refugees they've taken in? look how many Vietnamese boat people they took in. No racial exclusion laws.

6) both based on creating a founding mythology -- like, for Zionist Jews, "a land without a people"

What is the founding mythology of Israel? It sucks being persecuted? Lets find a place where we can be free?

7) both invented their own race: Aryans, by the original NAZIS; Jews, constructed as a race by the NAtionalist ZIonistS.

Jews aren't a race- there are black Jews, Asian Jews, brown Jews, white Jews. Jews are a people. Anyone can become a Jew. Ask Gehrig. He is a Jew by choice.

8) both based on eliminating some other unwanted and supposedly inferior races -- and, in the case of Zionism, removing those unwanted people who supposedly didn't exist.

Thats way the first thing the Israelis didafter the six day war was vaccinate the Palestinian children- in a few years, they wiped our all child hood illness and increased life expectancy by nearly 20 years.

9) both engaged in collective punishment and widespread torture (even inventing new sadistic torture methods).

Israel banned torture in 1999.

10) both enclosed unwanted races in walled-in ghettos and concentration camps -- only the NAtionalist ZIonists made the walls many times higher and the concentration camps many times larger (like Gaza, the world's largest open-air concentration camp).

Now the Palestinians are a race? Reinventing not just history but anthropolgy now?

11) both tried out new weapons on civilian populations.

What new weapons?

12) both sought to erase existing countries -- like the Nazis wanting to wipe Poland off the map and parts of other countries; the NAtionialist ZIonists wanting to wipe Palestine off the map and parts of other countries.

There was never an independent nation of Palestine.

1. The Caananites ---the true owners of Palestine--but they are all dead
2. The Jews
3. The Philistines attacked and were defeated
4. The Assyrians conquered the Jews
5. the Babylonians conquered the Assyrians
6. The Persians conquered the Babylonians
7. Greeks conquered the Persians
8. Jews rebelled and regained Israel
9. Romans conquered the Jews
10. The Christian-converted Byzantines ruled on behalf of Rome
11. The Persians deposed the Byzantines
12. The Arabs invaded and conquered the Persians
13. Seljuks conquered the Persians
14. the Fatimids conquered the Seljuks
15. European Crusaders conquest
16. Mamelukes conquered the Europeans
17. The Ottomans (Turks) conquered the Mamelukes
and ruled for the next 400 years
18. The Turks lost to the British in WWI and Britain took over
19. Britain gave 80% of Palestine to Jordan
20.. Britain turned over authority (of the remaining 20%)to the UN
21. The UN voted to partition--The Jews accepted, the Arabs rejected and launched a war
22. Jordan took over the West Bank
23. Egypt took over Gaza
24. Israel conquered the Jordan-held West Bank and drove Egypt from Gaza so that the Jews regained land lost centuries earlier --The FIRST MENTION of the "Palestinian people" was made at this time---and only after a crushing defeat
25. Israel signed the Oslo accords and set up the PA
26. Instead of creating a Palestinian state, Arafat chose war instead

13) both were violently and militarily expansionist.

14) NAtionalist ZIonist Israeli Jews even studied the original NAZI methods for urban warfare and clearing Palestinians out of their ghettos.

15) both claimed to be based on "God's will".
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By the way, Joseph, you fit both the EU and the state department of a classic anti-semite. but you knew that already, didn't you?

29 Feb 2008
by not too smart, are ya?

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1) both based on purity of blood.

Nothing about Zionism relates to "purity of blood". Anyone can be a Zionist. Christian, Muslim , Jew.

==> The "purity of blood" relates to being, of course, JEWISH.

I don't know of any MORAL MUTANTS that are "Muslim Zionists.

Christian Zionists, whom Zionist Jews welcome -- literally with open arms and HUGS(!) -- and who often visit Israel are CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS FANATICS who want Israel to exist because they say it fullfills Biblical prophecy, so that God can return ("the 2nd coming"), save all the good CHRISTIAN people, force the Jews to CONVERT, and damn those Jews who don't TO HELL!! I.E., IT'S AN ANTI-SEMITIC BELIEF THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE ZIONUTS STATEMENT ABOVE, ZIONISTS ACTUALLY _WELCOME_!!

At any rate, Israel, of course, is not a racist state created for Christians or Muslims but for racially self-constructed _JEWS_.

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2) both based on supposedly reuniting some religioethnic diaspora under one state.

nazism had nothing to do with this.

==> Of course it did, but Zionists aren't dangerous because they have any BRAINS -- they're dangerous because they have too many GUNS and BOMBS!

When it comes to _ZioNUT_ Jews, don't believee that stereotype that ALL Jews, in particular, are supposed to be smart. We can readily see that _ZioNUTS_ are just a bunch of _immoral_ DAMN DUMMIES! That's why they have to resort to underhanded tactics like hacking Indymedia, blatant censorship, attempting to block/delete Indymedia posts, etc.

With human migration being the way it is, and going to all sorts of countries, for all sorts of reasons, ethnic Germans were in a number of countries in Central-Eastern Europe. Of course, ethnic Germans were even in the Unites States, as well as all over the Western world. Hitler wanted to unite all ethnic Germans in the Central-Eastern European diaspora under one expansive state.

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3) both attempting to revive some supposedly "glorious ancient kingdom" -- some "glorious ancient Teutonic kingdom" for the original NAZIS; some "glorious ancient Judaic kingdom" for the NAtionalist ZIonistS.

Thats not the goal of Zionism. the goal was a land where the jewish people could live free from persecution- self determination.

==> NO ONE -- ABSOLUTELY NO ONE -- has a moral, so-called, "right" to "self-determination" in someone ELSE'S land (an ARAB land), claiming a 3,000 year-old "promise from GOD(!)", or the once ANCIENT 2,000 year-old presence of a country by their ANCIENT religious ancestors -- mass-displacing the NATIVE people who already live there!

IT'S THE ZIO-NUTIEST I'VE EVER HEARD OF.

And no present-day country in THE WORLD -- including the United States -- would EVER accept such an argument for THEMSELVES.

The United States doesn't even like Mexicans returning to what used to be MEXICO(!) -- before the U.S. STOLE it in a war.

Anyway, Zionist talk about "reclaiming" their ancient kingdom in Palestine has always been part of their propaganda rhetoric.

If the Zionut is denying Nazi parallel (3), then why not EUROPEAN JEWS claim land in EUROPE!?

At any rate, all one has to do is to go right to the Israeli Propaganda Ministry (sometimes called The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs) website and look under "History of Israel", "Historical Overview", "Biblical Times", and read all the propaganda for yourself (including THE ABSOLUTELY PHONY STORY OF "THE EXODUS"):

www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/History+of+Israel/HISTORY-%20Biblical%20Times

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4) both established a state that was culturally, legally, economically and religiously based to exclusively benefit one ethnic/racial group.

Israel is none of these. From the Dec. of independepence- it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

==> "AS ENVISAGED BY THE PROPHETS OF ISRAEL"!!!???

WHAT THA FUCK IS _THAT_ ABOUT!!!???

I think that this is the first time I've heard the creation of a MODERN-DAY country _IN SOMEONE ELSE'S LAND_ justified by an ancient prophet in THE OLD TESTAMENT!!!

Are those ZioNUTS a HOOOT(!!!) or what!!!? Hey ZioNUT, go to any other country, including the United States, with such a FANATICALLY NUTTY claim!! (That's why such a claim could only be imposed at the point of a gun against a relatively defenseless people -- and you can bet those relatively defenseless people weren't EUROPEAN!)

Yeah..., and are we supposed to believe the fanatical ZioNUT about respecting Palestinian rights or our own damn lying eyes?

And the United States was also always the land of "freedom and democracy" and "all men are created equal" too, as Native Americans were being exterminated in their holocaust, black slavery existed for 2-1/2 CENTURIES, American apartheid existed for another CENTURY, and blacks are still being beaten and killed by cops with the slightest excuse. So, was the Israeli "Declaration of Independence" like the U.S. Declaration of Independence?

Then, there is Israel where even Palestinian citizens of Israel cannot even call for absolute equality.

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5) both based on violent racist exclusion and a highly intricate complex of racial exclusion laws (like Israel's racial 'Nuremberg laws').
Israel is among the most welcoming and diverse of all nations in the middle east. look how many Sudanese refugees they've taken in? look how many Vietnamese boat people they took in. No racial exclusion laws.

==> WHAT? NO ATTEMPTED REBUTTAL FROM THE ZIONUT???

6) both based on creating a founding mythology -- like, for Zionist Jews, "a land without a people"

What is the founding mythology of Israel? It sucks being persecuted? Lets find a place where we can be free?

==> The founding mythology?: how about "The land without a people" -- except for the millions of Palestinians Israel had to drive off and the 400 Palestinian cities, towns and villages, and the 1,000's of Palestinian homes, Israel destroyed.

NO AMOUNT OF PERSECUTION gives ZioNUTS the moral right to go take the land of, and drive off, another people who ALREADY LIVE THERE.

Want to live free? Live free in the U.S. (as much as I hate to have you FANATICAL RACISTS here), Canada, Britain, France, Scandinavia, the rest of Western Europe, Australia, etc., etc., etc. ...

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7) both invented their own race: Aryans, by the original NAZIS; Jews, constructed as a race by the NAtionalist ZIonistS.

Jews aren't a race- there are black Jews, Asian Jews, brown Jews, white Jews. Jews are a people. Anyone can become a Jew. Ask Gehrig. He is a Jew by choice.

==> "Jews aren't a race"? That means that, contrary to ZioNUTS CONTRADICTORY claims, THEN JEWS AREN'T A _UNIQUE_ PEOPLE.

THEN THAT CLAIM WOULD MEAN THAT JUDAISM IS _JUST A RELIGION_ -- AND CERTAINLY NOT AN ETHNIC GROUP, let alone a "race" -- no more than Christians.

(And religious converts are always among the most fanatical. Converts are typically more religious than most people who are parentally born into their religion.)

THEN THAT WOULD MEAN THAT ISRAEL IS JUST A _THEOCRATIC STATE_ -- _NOT_ A DEMOCRACY.

THE U.S. DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE -- AND MOST COUNTRIES IN THE MODERN WORLD HAVE -- CONDEMNED THE IDEA OF "DIVINE, RELIGIOUS AND HEREDITARY RULE".

Jews demand true democracy everywhere else but in Israel: there they demand THEOCRACY and APARTHEID.

But, in fact, it was the founding ZioNUTS of Israel themselves who AGREED WITH HITLER(!!): that "Jews are a distinct race of human beings unassimilable into normal society". Just go look up what the founding ZioNUTS said.

You see, you ZioNUTS get all caught up in your own contradictions by anyone who morally and logically analyzes your claims.

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8) both based on eliminating some other unwanted and supposedly inferior races -- and, in the case of Zionism, removing those unwanted people who supposedly didn't exist.

Thats way the first thing the Israelis didafter the six day war was vaccinate the Palestinian children- in a few years, they wiped our all child hood illness and increased life expectancy by nearly 20 years.

==> Wow! You ZioNUT Jews are so SUPERIOR, huh? Good thing that you ZioNUTS violently invaded Palestine and wiped out hundreds of Palestinian cities, towns and villages, and massacred and/or violently drove off three-quarter to 1 million Palestinians, huh? Btw, you mean the 6-Day War that Israel STARTED? I guess that Israel didn't want JEWS to get any of those illnesses. And how many people did Israel KILL? Yeah, and Israeli prisons delouse Palestinian prisoners before they are put away for decades.

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9) both engaged in collective punishment and widespread torture (even inventing new sadistic torture methods).

Israel banned torture in 1999.

==> 'So has the U.S.' Rrrright?

;-)

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10) both enclosed unwanted races in walled-in ghettos and concentration camps -- only the NAtionalist ZIonists made the walls many times higher and the concentration camps many times larger (like Gaza, the world's largest open-air concentration camp).

Now the Palestinians are a race? Reinventing not just history but anthropolgy now?

==> Well, ZioNUT Jews and Israel are the world's greatest experts at reinventing anthropology (btw, just as the Nazis did to support Nazi ideology -- ANOTHER PARALLEL! -- #16!)

Yes, "race" or ethnic group: Israel has effectively and, in Israeli law, "legally" constructed Palestinians as a race. Do you think that if Palestinians mass converted to Judaism -- they probably wouldn't even be allowed to legally convert -- they, as nonetheless ethnic Arabs, would then be allowed to politically and legally campaign for absolutely equal rights as Israeli Jews -- and then be so much as allowed to build onto their homes in Jerusalem, which they are currently denied by law?

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11) both tried out new weapons on civilian populations.

What new weapons?

Yeah, rrrrright...! WHAT new weapons...?

;-)

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12) both sought to erase existing countries -- like the Nazis wanting to wipe Poland off the map and parts of other countries; the NAtionialist ZIonists wanting to wipe Palestine off the map and parts of other countries.

There was never an independent nation of Palestine.

===> It was called the Palestinian mandate: independent countries/land to be held in trust after WWI for the NATIVE inhabitants.

Before 1948 there was never an indepedent nation-state called "Israel"; it's violent apartheid founders weren't even natives of Palestine!: they were EUROPEANS! As as you, ZioNUT, so 'eloquently' pointed out, there was never even a single/unique ethnic group, culture or society called "Jews" -- and, before Israel, those different ethnic groups and nationalities of Jews certainly didn't speak HEBREW as a social language!

But, hypothetically, country or no country all people have a right to live in their native land without a foreign people coming thousands of miles away to violently drive off -- ethnically cleanse -- the NATIVE inhabitants. Native Alaskan "Eskimos"/Inuits, Native Hawai'ians and Native Australian "aborigines" have this right just as much as European Jews did.

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1. The Caananites ---the true owners of Palestine--but they are all dead
2. The Jews
3. The Philistines attacked and were defeated
4. The Assyrians conquered the Jews
5. the Babylonians conquered the Assyrians
6. The Persians conquered the Babylonians
7. Greeks conquered the Persians
8. Jews rebelled and regained Israel
9. Romans conquered the Jews
10. The Christian-converted Byzantines ruled on behalf of Rome
11. The Persians deposed the Byzantines
12. The Arabs invaded and conquered the Persians
13. Seljuks conquered the Persians
14. the Fatimids conquered the Seljuks
15. European Crusaders conquest
16. Mamelukes conquered the Europeans
17. The Ottomans (Turks) conquered the Mamelukes
and ruled for the next 400 years
18. The Turks lost to the British in WWI and Britain took over
19. Britain gave 80% of Palestine to Jordan
20.. Britain turned over authority (of the remaining 20%)to the UN
21. The UN voted to partition--The Jews accepted, the Arabs rejected and launched a war
22. Jordan took over the West Bank
23. Egypt took over Gaza
24. Israel conquered the Jordan-held West Bank and drove Egypt from Gaza so that the Jews regained land lost centuries earlier --The FIRST MENTION of the "Palestinian people" was made at this time---and only after a crushing defeat
25. Israel signed the Oslo accords and set up the PA
26. Instead of creating a Palestinian state, Arafat chose war instead

===> SO, WHAT YOU ARE POINTING OUT -- IN YOUR FEEBLE ATTEMPT AT PROPAGANDA -- IS THAT

A.) THE ANCIENT HEBREWS WEREN'T EVEN THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF PALESTINE!

THOUGH, OF COURSE, WHEN THE ANCIENT HEBREWS ARRIVED IT WAS, ZIONISTS NOW CLAIM ONCE AGAIN, "A LAND WITHOUT A PEOPLE".

B.) THAT NEITHER THE OTHER ANCIENT NATIVE INHABITANTS OR THE PALESTINIANS CERTAINLY DIDN'T THROW THE ANCEINT HEBREWS/ISRAELITES OUT --

EUROPEANS (THE ROMANS) DID, _2,000_ YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF POLITICAL INSTABILITY THE ROMANS FELT THE ANCIENT HEBREWS/ISRAELITES WERE CAUSING.

LIKE THE POLITICAL INSTABILITY ZIONISTS AND ISRAELI JEWS ARE CAUSING TODAY (IN MODERN TIMES) IN THE MIDDLE EAST

-- CAUSING WAR AFTER WAR (MOST OF WHICH ISRAEL _STARTED_, USING SOME EXCUSE, OR CALLED FOR), THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE (INCLUDING 1,00O'S OF AMERICANS DEAD AND TEN'S OF 1,000'S WOUNDED/MAIMED FOR LIFE), THE DISPLACEMENT OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, AND UNTOLD INNUMERABLE SUFFERING.

C.) AND GOSH, I _WONDER_ WHY NO ONE IN MODERN TIMES (LET ALONE ANY OTHER TIMES) WOULD ACCEPT THEIR LAND AND HOMES BEING _FORCEFULLY_ GIVEN AWAY TO A _FOREIGN_ PEOPLE AN ENTIRE CONTINENT AWAY!? -- AND THAT ANYONE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD OF THAT PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS PERSUASION COULD COME TAKE LAND?

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13) both were violently and militarily expansionist.

===> No comment, huh?

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14) NAtionalist ZIonist Israeli Jews even studied the original NAZI methods for urban warfare and clearing Palestinians out of their ghettos.

===> No comment, huh?

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15) both claimed to be based on "God's will".

===> No comment, huh?

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You Zionists can apparently delete the original posted parallels here, but you can't delete it else where on Indymedia or the internet.

"Truth crushed to earth will rise once again!"

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By the way, Joseph, you fit both the EU and the state department of a classic anti-semite. but you knew that already, didn't you?

===> WRONGGG AGAIN, ZIO-BREATH! Joseph didn't type those parallels! I see you ran out of any other PATHETIC 'DEFENSES' -- so, failing that, of course, you ZioNUTS have to resort to the old "anti-Semite" name-calling. PPPATHETIC...

[YYYYYAWWWWNNNN...]

(An ad hominem attack is not an intellectual rebuttal.)

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It is said that the War in Iraq was THE BIGGEST FOREIGN POLICY BLUNDER OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. No, it was ISRAEL -- the imperialists forcing a foreign Jewish state in the middle of the Middle East. And plenty of diplomats and officials in the British and American governments -- including Britain's Foreign Secretary and George Marshall of the Marshall Plan -- tried to point this out. Way back in 1947 & 1948 they predicted wars, as a direct result, for at least the next HALF-CENTURY OR MORE!

5) both based on violent racist exclusion and a highly intricate complex of racial exclusion laws (like Israel's racial 'Nuremberg laws').

> Israel is among the most welcoming and diverse of all nations in the middle east. look how many Sudanese refugees they've taken in? look how many Vietnamese boat people they took in. No racial exclusion laws.

==> Yeah, to SCRUB ISRAELI JEWS' TOILETS, WIPE ISRAELI JEWS' BABIES' BUTTS, and do ISRAELI JEWS' LAUNDRY, ETC. -- and the imported Third World girls & women can only hope they are not trafficked into THE ISRAELI SEXUAL SLAVERY TRADE (so widespread and tolerated in Israel it has been condemned by UN and international human rights organizations.

Since Israel, by and large, doesn't employ Palestinians en masse anymore, Israel has imported, usually, desperately poor and easily exploitable Asian immigrant labor (usually girls and women) to do Israel's domestic menial/dirty work.

Where the racial exclusion laws come is is who can even convert to Judaism, who can buy/lease land, who can live where they want to desirably live, who can even build onto their homes, who can open up a business and where, who can drive on Jewish-only roads, who can live in Jewish-only towns, who can marry whom and live in Israel, who can go where, who has equal access to water, who has equal access to other national resources, who can become a citizen, who has the right-of-return, who can legally call for absolute equality, etc., etc., etc. -- all the accompaniments of an apartheid state.

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But, you know, NOTHING anyone says and NO MORAL ARGUMENTS can change the mind of a Zionist -- anymore that NOTHING anyone could say and NO MORAL ARGUMENTS could change the mind of a Nazi.

A ZIONIST is not merely what ideology one _believes_ in, but WHO THEY _ARE_.

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13) both were violently and militarily expansionist.

===> No comment, huh?
Here's the comment: If Israel were expansionist, it would have kept Sinai (3 times its size) and gaza. Israel has shown its desire to trade land for peace over and over.

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14) NAtionalist ZIonist Israeli Jews even studied the original NAZI methods for urban warfare and clearing Palestinians out of their ghettos.

===> No comment, huh?

I don't know if its true or not, but any general, every general that wants to be successful must study the history of warfare.

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15) both claimed to be based on "God's will".

===> No comment, huh?

The comment: Zionism began as a secular political movement- nothing religious about it

There we go. Are you happy now?

Definition of Antisemitism

Source: European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights

Also available from the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights is the Summary overview of Antisemitism in the European Union (Dec 2006)

This document has been copied here to allow people to copy and past parts of the definition as needed in order to clarify when debate and discussion has cross the line from free speech to hate speech. In the EU hate speech is not protected, it is in fact a crime.
The EU's Definition of Antisemitism

The purpose of this document is to provide a practical guide for identifying incidents, collecting data, and supporting the implementation and enforcement of legislation dealing with antisemitism.

Working definition: ``Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non­Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.''

In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for ``why things go wrong.'' It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

* Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
* Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective - such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
* Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non­Jews.
* Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
* Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
* Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

* Denying the Jewish people their right to self­determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
* Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
* Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
* Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
* Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

Standard definition: Anyone who doesn't like Jews.

Zionist definition: Anyone who some Jew doesn't like; i.e., anyone who can see through Zionist BULLSHIT.

The Guardian
Saturday March 1 2008

Israel's deputy defence minister yesterday warned his country was close to launching a huge military operation in Gaza and said Palestinians would bring on themselves a "bigger shoah," using the Hebrew word usually reserved for the Holocaust.

The choice of vocabulary from Matan Vilnai, an often outspoken former army general, was unusually grave - the word is not normally used for anything other than the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews.

In Gaza, Hamas leaders said, "They want the world to condemn what they call the Holocaust and now they are threatening our people with a Holocaust."

Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

* Denying the Jewish people their right to self­determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
* Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
* Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
* Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
* Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

If the jackboats, fit Joeseph.......

Europeans are the most bloodthirsty and avaricious people in history. The only thing they enjoy more than robbing, raping and enslaving non Europeans, is robbing, raping and enslaving each other. They hold *no* moral high ground. Their opinions on moral issues, especially colonialism, are taken seriously only by fools.

So whose definition of anti-semitism would you accept?
Lets ask the victim:

Natan Sharansky: I propose the following test for differentiating legitimate criticism of Israel from anti-Semitism. The 3D test, as I call it, is not a new one. It merely applies to the new anti-Semitism the same criteria that for centuries identified the different dimensions of classical anti-Semitism.

DEMONIZATION

The first D is the test of demonization.

Whether it came in the theological form of a collective accusation of deicide or in the literary depiction of Shakespeare's Shylock, Jews were demonized for centuries as the embodiment of evil. Therefore, today we must be wary of whether the Jewish state is being demonized by having its actions blown out of all sensible proportion.

For example, the comparisons of Israelis to Nazis and of the Palestinian refugee camps to Auschwitz -- comparisons heard practically every day within the "enlightened" quarters of Europe -- can only be considered anti-Semitic.

Those who draw such analogies either do not know anything about Nazi Germany or, more plausibly, are deliberately trying to paint modern-day Israel as the embodiment of evil.

DOUBLE STANDARDS

The second D is the test of double standards. For thousands of years a clear sign of anti-Semitism was treating Jews differently than other peoples, from the discriminatory laws many nations enacted against them to the tendency to judge their behavior by a different yardstick.

Similarly, today we must ask whether criticism of Israel is being applied selectively. In other words, do similar policies by other governments engender the same criticism, or is there a double standard at work?

It is anti-Semitism, for instance, when Israel is singled out by the United Nations for human rights abuses while tried and true abusers like China, Iran, Cuba, and Syria are ignored.

Likewise, it is anti-Semitism when Israel's Magen David Adom, alone among the world's ambulance services, is denied admission to the International Red Cross.

DELIGITIMIZATION

The third D is the test of deligitimization. In the past, anti-Semites tried to deny the legitimacy of the Jewish religion, the Jewish people, or both. Today, they are trying to deny the legitimacy of the Jewish state, presenting it, among other things, as the last vestige of colonialism.

While criticism of an Israeli policy may not be anti-Semitic, the denial of Israel's right to exist is always anti-Semitic. If other peoples have a right to live securely in their homelands, then the Jewish people have a right to live securely in their homeland.

Zionist: "from the EU's definition of anti-semitism"

Where's the EU URL definition!

ZIONISTS DISTORT, TWIST, FALSIFY, 'DOCTOR-UP', SWITCH AROUND, WORD-SUBSTITUTE, FORGE, PARTLY LIE ABOUT, AND OUT-AND-OUT LIE ABOUT EVERTHING THEY CLAIM/CITE.

IF A ZIONIST DOESN'T PROVIDE A VERIFIABLE _URL_ ABOUT SOMETHING YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW TO BE FACTUALLY TRUE, THEN _AUTOMATICALLY_ ASSUME THAT THE ZIONIST IS _LYING_.

IT'S WHAT ZIONISTS VERBALLY DO.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN A ZIONIST IS LYING?: WHENEVER YOU HEAR THEM SPEAK.

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"But of course, the kinds of folks who push an ideology that required the expulsion of three-quarters-of-a-million Palestinians from their lands, and then lied about it, claiming there had been no such persons to begin with (as with Golda Meir’s infamous quip), can’t be expected to place a very high premium on truth."

--Tim Wise

- anti-racist, anti-Zionist, Jewish-American activist and public speaker

- from "Fraud Fit For A King: Israel, Zionism, And The Misuse Of MLK"

www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2003-01/20wise.cfm

- author of "Reflections on Zionism from a Dissident Jew"

www.mediamonitors.net/timwise1.html

13) both were violently and militarily expansionist.

===> No comment, huh?

> Here's the comment: If Israel were expansionist, it would have kept Sinai (3 times its size) and gaza. Israel has shown its desire to trade land for peace over and over.

====> Israel has started EVERY WAR it was in (MOST NOTABLY THE 1956 SUEZ WAR, where President Eisenhower told the conspiring Israel, Britain and France that they better get the hell out of the Suez or suffer the consequences from the U.S.), except for the 1973 war -- where Egypt initiated a war to get its Sanai land back from a war that _ISRAEL_ STARTED in 1967 (using a phony excuse of course) where Israel STOLE the Egyptian Sinai.

And, of course, as is plain to see, Israel has not freed Gaza -- just turned it into the world's largest open-air prison or concentration camp.

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14) NAtionalist ZIonist Israeli Jews even studied the original NAZI methods for urban warfare and clearing Palestinians out of their ghettos.

===> No comment, huh?

> I don't know if its true or not, but any general, every general that wants to be successful must study the history of warfare.

====> In fact, one Israeli military commander was reported by one of his soldiers as yelling, "LET'S BE JUDEO-NAZIS!"

Ref.: "A Letter To American Jews From An Israeli Refusenik"
www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/oron_letter.cfm
www.seruv.org.il/English/default.asp -- A site of the Reserve soldiers refusing to take part in the occupation.

An Open Letter To American Jews
www.antiwar.com/orig/oron1.html

The Nazification of Israel
www.flonnet.com/fl1908/19080100.htm

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15) both claimed to be based on "God's will".

===> No comment, huh?

> The comment: Zionism began as a secular political movement- nothing religious about it.

====> Especially the glassy-eyed Zionist fundamentalist settlers, among other religious (and even non-religious) Zionists (exploiting religion), emphatically claim that "God promised Palestine to the Jews". Or, else why would Israel be a semi-theocratic religio-ethnic state?

> There we go. Are you happy now?

====> Yep. I'm always happy when _Zionist LIES_ are destroyed. Not only did you ZIONIST FAIL, here, to factually and successfully contradict my rebuttals to your denials, I SEE THAT YOU ONLY EVEN UNSUCCESSFULLY TRIED TO DENY JUST 3 OF MY REBUTTALS.

This is why Zionists (and the Israel-first lobby) must try to engage in SILENCING and CENSORSHIP tactics -- because if/when both sides are permitted to be heard, especially in the media, Zionists will _LOSE_ every single time.

See:

USS Liberty Memorial Main Page

USS Liberty was attacked in international waters by Israeli forces on June 8, 1967, killing 34 Americans and wounding another 175.

Israel tried to impersonate Arab (in particular, Egyptian) forces in Israel's attack on the USS Liberty. This was not the first time Israel attacked U.S. (or UK) facilities, like in the Lavon Affair, and tried to frame the Arabs. One can only wonder how many other times Israel has tried to frame the Arabs and we DON'T know about it and/or it has still been covered-up. Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, at the time, was covered-up by the U.S. and Israeli governments, and the surviving American sailors were threatened by their own government to remain silent.

www.ussliberty.org

www.gtr5.com

[ "another (zionist) definition of anti-Semitism": So whose definition of anti-semitism would you accept?
Lets ask the victim:

Natan Sharansky:" ]

Sharansky is an ultra-right-wing Zionist fascist who politically put himself to the right of ARIEL SHARON!

We're TIRED of you Zionists racistly playing "the eternal victim card" shtick ALL THE TIME.

A LOT of people are TIRED of it.

TIRED of constantly being racistly beat over the head with "the eternal victim card" all the time in the mainstream news media (and even in Hollywood movies) like no one ELSE'S suffering has ever really historically or currently mattered.

And one day a LOT of people will finally get TIRED of being too scared (by the Israel lobby) to say so.

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"Israel cannot continue to use the Holocaust as an excuse for the oppression of others."
-- Kofi Annan, fmr. Secretary-General of the United Nations; recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize; recipient of the MacArthur Foundation Award for International Justice

Its a way to change the subject.

calling someone a "zionist" is not a rebuttal.

Anti-semitism is a real problem in the world today.
It ranges from from assaults on Jews to desecrated cemetaries to denial of citizenship to jewish residents of Arab lands.
Baltimores been relatively immune, but other parts of the country have seen a rise in anti-Semitic incidents.

zionist wolf crier (04 Mar 2008): "Anti-semitism is a real problem in the world today."

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"A moderate amount of anti-Semitism is good for the existence of Israel. No anti-Semitism is bad for Israel."

-- Golda Meir, fmr Israeli Prime Minister

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"The biggest problem in the world today is not what others are doing to Jews, but what Jews are doing to others."

-- Jeffrey Blankfort, anti-Zionist Jewish-American journalist and author

Sixty years after the Holocaust, European Jews and Israelis are increasingly wondering if Europe is being sucked into the worst wave of anti-semitism since the second world war.

In the past few weeks, a German MP was forced to resign after saying that Jews were responsible for Soviet atrocities, and the commander of the German army's special forces was sacked for agreeing with him.

Then came the observation by the Greek composer Mikis Theodorakis that Jews are at the root of all evil, and the firebombing of a Jewish school in Paris.

But Israelis felt their fears were confirmed by an opinion poll of EU citizens that placed Israel as the greatest danger to world peace. Israelis were shocked, perplexed and outraged that they should be seen as a bigger threat than North Korea or Iran.

"Anti-semitism has become politically correct in Europe," said Natan Sharansky, the former Soviet dissident and minister in Ariel Sharon's government.

Yesterday Mr Sharon warned European governments that they need to do more to combat a revival of old hatreds responsible for rising anti-semitism. He described Europe's burgeoning Muslim population as a threat to Jews and dismissed accusations that rocket attacks on Gaza and tanks in Jenin have contributed to growing hostility.

"What we are facing in Europe is an anti-semitism that has always existed and it really is not a new phenomenon," the prime minister said in an interview with EUpolitix.com, an online newswire dedicated to EU affairs.

"This anti-semitism is fundamental, and today, in order to incite it and to undermine the Jews' rights for self-defence, it is re-aroused.

"These days to conduct an anti-semite policy is not a popular thing, so the anti-semites bundle their policies in with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."

Last week, Mr Sharon said growing anti-semitism in Europe contributed to the bombing of two synagogues in Istanbul, the destruction of part of a Jewish school in Paris and a series of smaller attacks on Jewish targets.

"It's 60 years since the Holocaust and we are again the target of attacks, fires," said Cobi Benatoff, president of the European Jewish Congress. "Anti-semitism should have been part of the history of old Europe by now, but unfortunately it is very present and alive in the Europe of today."

For the chairman of Israel's Holocaust memorial council, Avner Shalev, Mr Theodorakis's anti-Jewish statement is a "symptom of the systematic flooding of Europe with incitement against the Jewish people and the state of Israel".

The Israeli Forum to Coordinate the Struggle Against Anti-semitism - a group of Israeli intelligence and foreign ministry officials - defines anti-semitism in three forms: classic, new and Muslim.

The forum asserts that the most dangerous strand has its roots in Islam and that the rising number of Muslims in Europe is responsible for fuelling terror attacks, street violence and general harassment of Jews.

Muslims are also blamed for the spread of anti-semitism to countries such as Denmark, previously renowned for its efforts to save Jewish lives during the Holocaust. Mr Sharon described the growing Muslim population in Europe as "endangering the life of Jewish people."

"Of course the sheer fact that there are a huge amount of Muslims, approximately 17 million in the EU, this issue has also turned into a political matter. I would say, in my opinion, EU governments are not doing enough to tackle anti-semitism," he said.

That view was confirmed for many Israelis when it was revealed that the EU's racism watchdog has suppressed a report on anti-semitism because it concluded that Muslims were behind many incidents.

Israeli officials say the comments of Mr Theodorakis and the German MP, and a claim by the outgoing Malaysian leader, Mahathir Mohamad, that Jews rule the world by proxy and get others to fight and die for them, fall into the category of "classic" anti-semitism.

But it is the "new" anti-semitism that most disturbs some Jewish leaders because they say it emanates from influential groups such as academics, politicians and the media and is dressed up as criticism of Israel's occupation of Palestinian land.

Deborah Lipstadt, the academic who won a libel victory after describing the rightwing historian David Irving as a Holocaust denier, this month described the "new" anti-semitism as directed at the "Rambo Jew, the Jew who is the aggressor".

"What we have seen in these attacks is an obsession with the vilification of Israel; a use of Nazi and Holocaust images to describe Israel and its politics, and a focus on Israel's failures regarding human rights, while totally ignoring the Arab world's failures of human rights," she told a conference in Jerusalem.

ZIONIST JEWS complaining about anti-Semitism!

Yyyyawwwwnnnn...

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re "anti-Semitism and the jews" (04 Mar 2008)

"The JEWS are on the verge of another HOLOCAUST in THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA!"
-- Dr. Laurie Zolith, Zionist, fmr. Director of the Jewish Studies Program at San Francisco State University, San Francisco, CA

"WOLF...! WOLLF...!! WOLLLF...!!! WOLLLLF...!!!!"

zionist: "a focus on Israel's failures regarding human rights, while totally ignoring the Arab world's failures of human rights,"

This is the "But Johnny/Joshua did it too!" argument -- an argument that no good Jewish mother would ever accept from her own kids.

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zionist: "a use of Nazi and Holocaust images to describe Israel and its politics"

IF THE _HYPÖCRISY_ FITS, THEN _WEAR_ IT ZIÖNIST.

Laurie left San Francisco State because of the widespread anti-Semitism, btw. She's now happily living in Chicago. Our loss. She's a figure of national importance- regularly appearing on televison and radio news.

Things have calmed down, at SF State, somewhat.
Yet when you look at the FBI's report on hate crimes in California, what religion is targeted most of all? Even in this post 9/11 world, its dem Jews, Joseph. Hate crimes against the Jews are on the rise, even in America. And its not just the occassional anti-semitic slur like you are prone to utter, Joseph- its violence. And in spite of the statistics, its guessed that very few anti-Semitic incidents are actually reported to the authorities- that they are glossed over by schools and businesses and by individuals.

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"Laurie left San Francisco State"

GOOD _RIDDANCE_ TO THE _NUTCASE_!

"because of the widespread anti-Semitism, btw."

Maybe she's in a San Francisco CONCENTRATION camp! Haha!

(Or maybe she was too much of an _embarrassment_ to the university and they got her out of there.)

"She's now happily living in Chicago."

Thanks for the intelligence report! We can use that information.

"Our loss."

BOOO-HOOO...

"She's a figure of national importance- regularly appearing on televison and radio news."

Yeah we see her on TV all the time -- _NOT_!

"Things have calmed down, at SF State, somewhat."

So, "the HOLOCAUST" that Laurie Zoloth PREDICTED has been COMPLETED? Haha!

"Yet when you look at the FBI's report on hate crimes in California, what religion is targeted most of all?"

Wrong again, ziomaniac. California criminal-justice hate crimes statistics report that social hate crimes (except for cops beating, shooting, &/or killing Blacks and Latinos) for _ALL_ ethnic & religious groups have been steadily going DOWN over the years - _EXCEPT_ for ARABS/MUSLIMS and SIKHS (anyone who wears a turbin or a head scarf).

"Even in this post 9/11 world, its dem Jews,"

'Of _course_'! [Wink, wink]

;-)

NOW WAS IT THE SAME _JEWS_ (WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE ISRAELI MOSSAD AGENTS), DRESSED LIKE RELIGIOUS 'ARABS', WHO WERE CAUGHT BY POLICE, NEAR THE COAST IN NEW JERSEY, CHEERING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ON 9-11?

-- AND LATER SECRETLY ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT?

WAS IT THE SAME JEWS WHO WERE CAUGHT WITH BOMB-MAKING EQUIPMENT IN THEIR VAN, HEADED TOWARDS NEW YORK'S GEORGE WASHINGTON BRIDGE?

OR WAS IT THE SAME ISRAELI JEWS (AGAIN ISRAELI MOSSAD AGENTS) - POSING AS 'ART STUDENTS' - WHO LIVED RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM SOME OF THE 9-11 HIJACKERS, BUT DID/SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT, AND NEVER NOTIFIED THE U.S. GOVERNMENT?

WAS IT THE SAME JEWS (AMERICAN AND ISRAELIS) WHO ARE _REPEATEDLY_ CAUGHT COMMITING ESPIONAGE AGAINST THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.

WAS IT THE SAME JEWS - LIKE ARIEL SHARON AND BENYAMIN NETANYAHU - WHO, IN ISRAEL, SAID (BEFORE THEY RETRACTED THEIR COMMENTS) THAT "9-11 WAS A _GOOD_ THING BECAUSE IT BROUGHT THE U.S. AND ISRAEL CLOSER TOGETHER"?

(CAPS for greater visibility)

"Joseph."

Wrong again, zioboy...

Not ALL anti-zionists look alike.

"Hate crimes against the Jews are on the rise, even in America. And its not just the occassional anti-semitic slur like you are prone to utter,"

I _know_ - I tellya it's another HOLOCAUST!

"And in spite of the statistics, its guessed that very few anti-Semitic incidents are actually reported to the authorities- that they are glossed over by schools and businesses and by individuals."

Gosh, not even the _Jews_ care enough about them, huh?

Btw, do those statistics include the _PHONY_ anti-Semitic 'hate crimes' perpetrated by Jews themselves, like the Jewish woman instructor at Claremont College in Riverside, CA, who created an initial 2 week-long uproar until it was discovered by the police and the college that she had repeatedly vandalized her OWN car with anti-Semitic graffiti - and other similar hoaxes elsewhere?

And btw, those 'hate crimes' include anti-Semitic verbal attacks (like "Hitler killed the wrong Jews!"), harassment, graffiti, vandalism and other attacks against _ANTI-ZIONIST_ Jews and their groups & organizations by _ RABID ZIONIST_ Jews?

"The FBI report documented that the number of reported religion-based crimes increased slightly with nearly 70 percent of those crimes directed against Jews and Jewish institutions."

70 % buster. Lets see your figures

"The JEWS are on the verge of another HOLOCAUST in THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA!"

- Dr. Laurie Zoloth, PhD. Fmr. Director (1995-2003) of the Program in Jewish Studies at San Francisco State University, San Francisco, CA.

Tawana Brawley is an African American woman from Wappingers Falls, New York. In 1987 at age 15, she received national media attention in the US for accusing six white men of rape, some of whom were police officers. The accusations soon earned notoriety, which was inflamed by Brawley's advisers Reverend Al Sharpton and attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason, public officials, and exaggerated media attention.[1] After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of an attack.[2] The New York prosecutor whom Brawley accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation.[3]

ZIONUT: "Like tawana brawley?"

THIS IS _LAME_ EVEN FOR A ZIONUT!

refers to a now hidden post.

"The FBI report documented that the number of reported religion-based crimes increased slightly with nearly 70 percent of those crimes directed against Jews and Jewish institutions."

70 % . Lets see your figures

still waiting? ...so am I: where _SPECIFICALLY_ is the FBI's anti-Jewish so-called hate crimes statistics webpage URL and exact line zioboy!?

[And btw, do those 'hate crimes' include anti-Semitic verbal attacks (like "Hitler killed the wrong Jews!"), harassment, graffiti, vandalism and other attacks against _ANTI-ZIONIST_ Jews and their groups & organizations by _ RABID ZIONIST_ Jews?]

Where's the BEEF?

All I see is BUN!

Not people being nasty to each other.
And do your own research.

[by hate crimes are crimes
Not people being nasty to each other.
And do your own research.]

["The FBI report documented that the number of reported religion-based crimes increased slightly with nearly 70 percent of those crimes directed against Jews and Jewish institutions.

70 % . Lets see your figures"]

From the FBI- since you can't handle your own research....

Religious bias

Of the 1,750 victims of an anti-religion hate crime:

* 65.4 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-Jewish bias.
* 11.9 percent were victims of an anti-Islamic bias.
* 4.9 percent were victims of an anti-Catholic bias.
* 3.7 percent were victims of an anti-Protestant bias.
* 0.5 percent were victims of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.

I'm NO boy.

TO ZIONIST SPIN MASTER -- OH THE SHEEER _IRONY_ OF _ZIONISTS_ COMPLAINING ABOUT RACISM -- OH THE SHEEER _CHHHUTZPAH_!:
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Since you Zionists claim that Jews are a unique "RACE/ETHNICITY"..., HERE'S WHAT THE FBI STATS SHOW (www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/table4.html):

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66.4 percent were victims of an offender’s _ANTI-BLACK_ bias

THIS _ALONE_ -- THE CLEAR MAJORITY -- IS ***FAR*** ABOVE THE % OF HATE CRIMES AGAINST JEWS (SO BOO-HOO...)!
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4.8 percent were victims of an anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.

1.5 percent were victims of an anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias.
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THAT _ALONE_ IS A TOTAL OF _72.7%_!!

So, _THE OVERHWHEMLING MAJORITY_ of hate crimes _RIGHT THERE_ do not occur against Jews (so BOO-HOO...)!
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Then we add in...

21.0 percent were victims of an anti-white bias.
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THAT'S -- WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHITES _NOT_ BEING JEWISH -- A TOTAL OF 93%

So, _THE VAST MAJORITY_ of hate crimes _RIGHT THERE_ do not occur against Jews (so BOO-HOO...)!
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AND IT'S WELL-KNOWN THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF ASIANS (ESPECIALLY ASIAN IMMIGRANTS & UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS) AND LATINOS (ESPECIALLY IMMIGRANTS & UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS) DON'T EVEN REPORT HATE CRIMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST OR THEY AVOID THE POLICE.
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Then we add in...

6.4 percent were victims of a bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group).
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THAT'S -- WITH THE VAST MAJORITY OF MIXED RACES/ETHNICITIES _NOT_ BEING JEWISH -- A TOTAL OF 101.1%.

We can make an estimate and substract for the obviously tiny % that area against Jews, since Jews are only between 2-3% of the U.S. population.

So, that means that _THE VAST *OVERWHEMLIMG* MAJORITY_ of hate crimes _RIGHT THERE_ -- using FBI statistics -- do not occur against Jews (so BOO-HOO...)!

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AND I SEE IN THE FBI'S 'GREAT RACIAL/ETHNIC EQUANIMITY' IT DOESN'T EVEN CITE HATE CRIMES AGAINST _MIDDLE EASTERNERS_ AND LATINO-AMERICANS.
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EVEN JUST A CASUAL LOOK AT TABLE 4 -- AS WELL AS EVERY OTHER TABLE -- WHICH SHOWS ACTUAL NUMBERS -- SHOWS THAT _THE GREAT MAJORITY_ OF HATE CRIMES ARE __NOT__ AGAINST JEWS.

OH -- AND LOOK! -- IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT ANY _JEWS_ EVER COMMIT HATE CRIMES!: OH, *I WONDER WHY*...???
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So, I know that you SELF-HYSTERICAL, NARCISSISTIC, "ONLY _WE_ COUNT" Zionist Jews think that _THE WORLD REVOLVES AROUND YOU_

-- AND THAT NOBODY ELSE MATTERS -- NOT EVEN _YOUR VICTIMS_ IN PALESTINE

-- AND WE KNOW THAT YOU ZIONIST JEWS CALL THE LEAST LITTLE MORAL/POLITICAL CRITICISM "A HATE CRIME"

-- but not even in the world of RACIAL/ETHNIC HATE CRIMES, IT _DOESN'T_!

SO GIVE THE REST OF US _A F*CKIN' BREAK_!

NOBODY HERE CARES WHAT THE F*CK YOU HAVE TO SAY ANYMORE.

Most of the time in the U.S. -- unlike most BLACKS, ASIANS, LATINOS, MIDDLE EASTERNERS -- YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS JEWISH because the vast majority of American Jews are WHITE and many Jews don't have identifiably/likely Jewish names -- not the least because many Jews have OFTEN CHANGED THEIR FAMILY NAMES TO "ANGLO/GENERIC/GENTILE-SOUNDING" NAMES before or after their families first immigrated (especially around the turn of or in the earlier half of the 20th century).

So, the overwhelming majority of the time YOU _CAN'T EVEN TELL_ WHO'S JEWISH (unless they're wearing a yarmulke/skullcap).

So, Jews don't walk around in wariness, apprehension, fear or terror like certain traditional minorities of color (including people who wear head scarves, turbins or robes) do in/around white neighborhoods, downtown areas, around town in general, or around the cops.

So, it's not like everytime something bad happens to someone who happens to be Jewish is that an anti-Jewish "hate crime", although I'm sure that Zionist Jews are keen to count every attack -- and count anti-Zonist criticism -- which Zionist Jews have _repeatedly SAID_ they count (since Zionists say that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism)! -- against someone who happens to be Jewish -- except for the hate speech/crimes Zionist Jews commit against _anti-Zionist_ Jews -- as a "HATE CRIME".

Your claim, non-deleted by astute editors was anti-Islamic crimes constituted the majority....

"Of the 1,750 victims of an anti-religion hate crime"

see- not ALL hate crimes- religious based hate crimes.

your claim: Most people wouldn't recognize a Jew....

The hate crimes are against Jews AND Jewish institution. Soem Jewish sects has a distinct way of dressing. Some people wear Jewish symbols. Sometimes people are targetted leaving Jewish institutions.

Anyway, you are a hater and a racist,and I'll leave it to the editors to mop up after you, since pigs generally don't clean up after themselves

Apparently he is an IMC troll- Boston knows how to handle him- they delete his posts

Phyllis Bennis, of the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C., is a, so-called, "liberal" Zionist (they want, ideologically, "A Zionist/Jewish State", but "they feel the Palestinians' pain" and are willing to let the Palestinian people -- still about 50%, or perhaps just over 50%, of the population of historic Palestine -- have the 15% that's left -- the Jewish-unoccupied parts of the Occupied Territories -- for a bi-/tri-furcated rump state), but nonetheless, as such, here is a good description of ideologically STATE-institutionalized racism inside Israel:

Phyllis Bennis is interviewed by Max Elbaum
www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BEN108A.html

The Arab man who turned his kalishnokov on the school library was an employee of the school! Easy to see how such racism can develop, when people you are kind to try and kill you, simply because they don't like your religion

Look at the amazing vanishing anti-semitic comments, Joseph- the editors are on to you, here and elsewhere. Soon you'll be back to passing out your "journalism" on street corners again.

to get rid of 'joseph's' comments!

ha-ha-ha!!!

what'cha gonna do about THAT!!?

The original ARTICLE (reposted by from Indybay.org by a _zionist_) is by Joseph!

Hows that boycott coming?
I just bought a pair of Israeli sandals at the nice shoestore near your house. And Safeway is carrying a full line of organic Israeli teas.

who keeps saying joe is banned when obviously he's not?

Zionists are SO nutty that they actually made the dessert bloom! Thats pretty nutty alright!

He was initially banned, but now he goes from web cafe to web cafe, changing his IP as he goes- but the merciful editors are deleting a lot of his crap.
They've been working for YEARS in Joey's hometown to ban Israeli products, but they are just getting easier and easier to find- the best place to find them is of course, the Arab markets. America loves Israel. As does Nigeria, apparently. A thousand Nigerians opened the 60th anniversary celebrations in Israel singing traditional Israeli songs.