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Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Is this war really about the oil? Or are Bush and his core support block of rightwing religious fanatics turning the world into a stage for acting out an elaborate "Armageddon" fantasy?
Marching on Bablyon: Are Bush and the Religious Right Forcing the World to Act Out their Religious Fantasies?

By Cheryl Seal
Mt. Vernon, Baltimore


Bush's obsession with attacking Iraq has been attributed to oil, to family vendetta due to his father's confrontation with Saddam, and with over-zealous terrorist-fighting efforts. However, what really lies beneath this obsession is a religious delusion, one shared, alas by many of his government appointees, including John Ashcroft, a devout Pentecostal. Bush, like Ashcroft, believes (and in fact is trying to insure) that the world is in the "end times" called for by the biblical book of Revelation - at least as interpreted by the doomsdayers, who are generally barely functional clinically classical paranoid schizophrenics (Pat Robertson being a prime example). Bily Graham, Bush's much-touted mentor, believes Armaggedon is at hand and has helped to fuel Bush's messianic complex as the "blessed" leader of the righteous in the end times. You can see that messianic complex so clearly in Bush's often inappropriately "rapturous" expression and grandiose body language.

In this fantasy scenario, following a mighty battle in a region the "faithful" have pinpointed as Iraq, about 144,000 "good Christians" will be sucked up into Heaven, while the rest are left to fry in a horrific conflagration. The support Bush has shown Israel isn't because of his pro-Jewish sentiments, it is because the "end times prescription" calls for Jews to be in complete control of all of Israel at the time of the big event. But, according to the fanatics' nasty little scenario, the joke will be on the Jews, who will be left to burn with everyone else, aside from a few perhaps a few last-minute converts to Christianity. Sharon, plainly fully aware of Bush's obsession, is taking full advantage of it. He just asked for - and is expected to be granted, up to $10 BILLION more dollars to help secure Israel and to buy war planes to help secure "Babylon."

In the fanatic's scenario, Iraq plays a special central role as "Babylon," embodying in the fundy's dark fantasies the "false religion" and the empire of the the "anti-Christ" in the end times. Here's a blurb for a book plugged by the "Bible Prophecy and the Rapture Report: "The Two Babylons. Authored by the late Rev. Alexander Hislop. An excellent source of information regarding the beliefs and rituals of the ancient babylonian cult that will dominate the empire of the Antichrist just as it dominated the major world empires and the Roman Catholic Church. "

The Roman Catholic Church, by the way is targeted for the wrath and villification of the righteous rapturists, who condemn it as "a false religion." I doubt if it is any coincidence that since Bush has been in office, the media has aggressively and relentlessly gone after the Catholic Church, fanning the pedophile priest stories into a modern witch hunt, while failing to investigate or expose similar allegations chronically being made by members of other religions, where such abuse may be just as rampant or even worse.

Bush's mentor, Billy Graham, as he grew in international fame, became very adept at appearing far more non-fanatical than he truly is in order to draw a bigger audience, a bigger bank account. Yet Graham attended Bob Jones University for some time, is on record making anti-Semitic comments in phone conversations with Richard Nixon, and, in 1948 declared, "The three gravest menaces faced by orthodox Christianity are communism, Roman Catholicism, and Mohammedanism."

In reality, Graham is still very much a fanatic, promoting the end times zealously. Here's a quote from his website:

"The Bible plainly forecasts the coming of yet another great war. It will be a war to eclipse anything the world has ever seen. It will embrace most of the nations of the world; and its focal point will be in the Middle East, where the armies of the world will some day deploy themselves, centering at Mount Megiddo. This great war has been called the battle of Armageddon. In the midst of this terrifying war that could destroy civilization the Lord Jesus Christ will return to this earth in glory and power to judge the nations of the world and set up His own glorious kingdom.

"The Scripture describes this great battle in the sixteenth chapter of the book of Revelation. The sixth angel will pour out his vial upon the great river Euphrates. We are told that the waters of the Euphrates River will be 'dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.' The dry riverbed will permit unhindered passage of the great armies of the East to the scene of the battle. Unclean spirits, demons, will go out into the world to the kings of the earth 'to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty' (verses 12-14).”

This passage is terrifying because if you use this scenario as Bush's real context for the Iraq war, it fits so well. It explains his total refusal to listen to any sort of reason, to the pleas of traditional allies, to the protests of millions. Who cares if millions protest if you are "figthing evildoers led by the anti-Christ," and the end times are near, anway? Billy Graham has been described by followers (and possibly by himself) as the second coming of John the Baptist. If so, then Bush (God help us all) is being seen by fanatics as the second coming of Christ, who is now in the process of setting up "his own glorious kingdom." The diversion of water from the Euphrates, the river that runs across southern Iraq, seems to play a big role in this prophesy (see also http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/revelation_16_12.htm) Don't be surprised if you hear of the Pentagon issuing a demand to divert or pump water out of the Euphrates. If this happens, it will certainly be an ominous signal...the loonies are advancing their cause.

It is not stretching too far to wonder if a good part of the reason Bush allowed "embedded reporters" in Iraq was because he wanted the "glory" he assumed was imminent to be witnessed and recorded - his triumphal entry into Babylon. Hitler, it should be recalled, always had the press on hand to record his "triumphal entries" into France, Poland, etc. It is telling that Bush has granted some of the coveted embedded reporter spots to ultrarightwing Christian outfits,, including Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network. Robertson is one of the most delusional rapturists around. I'm sure he wanted to make sure CBN was in on the "glorious unfolding" of biblical prophecy. Because the mainstream media are unquestioningly supporting Bush, they are, at least by default, supporting his insane fundamentalist motivations. Check out this religious fanatic site. You will see that they proudly list their selected network information providesr: CNN, FOX, MSNBC and the pro-Blair/ush BBC. You will also notice to the right of the page that "Iraq in Bibilical Prophecy" (as in Armageddon and the Rapture) is the subject of popular fundie literature. . http://www.bible-prophecy.com/wariraq.htm

It seems totally unreal that our nation and the rest of the world are being dragged through hell and - hopefully- back again by a band of religious fanatics who have insisted through sheer force and relentless intimidation that the world stage be yielded to them so they can play out their fantasies at everyone else's expense.

In any case, as the Iraqi conflict unflolds, we non-delusional folk see thousands of young, tired, scared, and hungry soldiers struggling through the desert near Karbala. Bush and his band of fanatics, meanwhile, see "God's end times army" marching to glory past the ruins of Babylon.


Billy Graham on Armageddon
http://www.billygraham.org/qna/qna.asp?i=501

"Bush's Messianic Complex" by Michael Oritz, Counterpunch
http://www.counterpunch.org/hill01042003.html

If you have a strong stomach, here's the "Bible Prophecy and the Rapture Report:"
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/7895/aarome.html

The Middle East Conflict: Has It Been Engineered by Rightwing Christian Extremeists and Zionists hoping to Force "the Rapture" - Cheryl Seal, April 2002
http://www.unknownnews.net/cdd040302.html

 
 

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Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

All I can say is "Wow!" I know so many people I want tos end this to. Thanks for such a great article.
 

Response to war

By Bukka Rennie, Trinicenter.com, www.uscrusade.com
March 22, 2003

War on TV! What war? The US/ British invasion of Iraq is not a war. War presupposes an equal element of danger to both sides. This surely is not the case. When the weaponry available to either side is compared it would seem that America and Iraq are centuries apart. When one considers the smart-bombs and guided missiles in the armoury of the US, Saddam might as well have had "bows and arrows". If this so-called war continues it will be tantamount to a massacre. As said before in this space, the US will virtually be "swatting flies". And the whole world will be there sitting before TV sets looking at this "war", as if it were some movie, with a surrealist plot, only in this case real blood will flow and men, women and children will be decimated.

There comes a sickness to the stomach watching all these news outfits and anchor newscasters producing these "action slots", interviewing generals and colonel-this and colonel-that talking about "strategy". What strategy, when you have the advantage that allows you to simply march and roll straight in and kill everybody?

It would be good comedy, mind you, if human beings were not at the receiving end, watching all these various analysts and experts, dressed up in their lounge suits and ties, speculating about this and that, trying their best to appear knowledgeable and intelligent answering rather idiotic, nonsensical, repetitious questions.

And these infernal reporters out there wanting most of all to impress on viewers the sense of impending danger to wit they have subjected themselves to bring the news, in fact their heroics, all the while also answering stupid questions such as: "So what do you see now", put to them by anchors.

If these reporters happen to die there they will be given posthumous awards, much like the Hollywood scenario. The blurring of perspective is what makes it so painful. And the fact that this production will cost US$70 billion while in much of the world people are starving.

But how is all this justified? The US and Britain have fabricated all kinds of evidence to prove that Iraq possesses "weapons of mass destruction", particularly of a chemical and biological nature and therefore given Saddam's propensity for evil, they conclude that Iraq is a serious threat to the US and the world. Ashton Brereton's commentary, "Lies, damn lies, stats and fabrications", is recommended reading in this context. In that article he shows clearly how the fabrication of evidence against Iraq was manufactured by Bush, Blair, Colin Powell et al even to the point of "forged documents" that the FBI has been asked to investigate.

Electronic mapping has provided these 21st century warmongers with the capacity to see every move in Iraq and yet no hard, definite evidence has been presented. What threat can Iraq be when the US can see every move and anticipate Saddam's intentions. That is why 75 per cent of the world's population cannot accept this "war" as justified.

What was most telling to me, however, was the appearance again of none other that Zibignew Brezinski. How I remember this "hawk"! Zibig, a long standing member of the think-tanks - the Trilateral Commission and the Brookings Institute - that cut across Republican and Democratic Party lines, have for decades been helping to chart US foreign policy, US view of the world and its exaggerated sense of imperialist empire. Zibig was on the TV saying to the world that America has never won a war; "we lost in Korea, we lost in Vietnam", he said and then went on to insinuate that it is time that America wins a war.

In other words go and kick somebody's arse, but win, in order to boost the American psyche. He did not attach much significance to their "victory" in Grenada.

Those people who pose that America has been the greatest contributor to humanitarian causes and to world development and wish us to see the invasion of Iraq as an extension of America's philanthropy need to understand that there is no free aid, that every dollar of aid that comes in to the peripheral undeveloped areas of the world facilitates the expropriation of approximately $10 back to the epicentres, and such people should listen carefully to the likes of Zibignew Brezinski who are the policy formulators behind the throne of power.

The balance of power in the world and the control of the key resources of the world are what these empire hawks are about, everything else is secondary or a means to that end. And they amass superior weapons and fight wars because that is the nature of empire building, that is the objective and subjective nature of all industrial-military complexes.

What does a country do with $800 billion worth of weaponry? And if its economy is fired by such production, how does it recharge its economic batteries? Replacement is equivalent to recharge in this context. War is the mechanism.

It is the lack of morality displayed by the Big Powers that forces insecure countries to want to arm themselves. One cannot expect equal treatment across the board. Saddam was alright and his ambitions were facilitated when he was attacking Iran. The whole western world turned a blind eye then to his development of chemical and biological weapons. In the same way every atrocity committed by Israel in its zeal for expansion from 1948 onwards was overlooked until Palestine as a country was no more.

Every attempt by the UN to sanction Israel over the years has been vetoed by the US. And we can go on and on showing examples of this logic that "my kith and kin can do anything, but others dare not" and "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

There are only two positives that can be derived from this war :

1. The rise of the EU with its federal co-ordination of sovereign States as an opposing counter-power to the US which in fact will trigger the final burial of any further concept of super power and the eventual strengthening of the UN structure.

2. It may serve to pull the entire Arab region kicking and screaming into the modern world, since all of them are as thuggish as Saddam's regime, given their hybrid mix of monarchal-theocracy - royal families and religious fundamentalism - and give rise to real Parliamentary democracy as limited as this may be.

Trinicenter.com, www.uscrusade.com

 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Armageddon won't happen until AFTER the great tribulation
and that hasn't happened yet (not until after the rapture). Germany is going to kick the US's ass. Bush, the deserter and traitor hasn't got a fucking clue.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

In following up to this we can research all the ancient scrolls etc and see that it will just be a big mess that cosmic order will clean up and have not to do with saving anybody.
Half the world only will be affected and at that point we will see the coming of a messiah, that is to say an enlightened one to bring us back to basics, One God over all of us and nobody between us and God.
We will most likely witness the Wrath/Truth of God to be delivered to these fanatics and unforturnately there is nothing we can do. And, rightly so. Karma is that of cosmic law and not of anything from man.
 

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This article is no joke....however, it's more than just bibilical prophecy....they want control of the path that the returning Annunaki, our forefathers from the stars, have established in ancient Babylon (now Iraq)....they are coming! Are you ready? Is the world?
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

I think christianity is the great Babylon.Bush is covering his hide and the church.read--Isiah 1:11-16 what we aren't told.The sabbath is rest on the 7 th day Gen.2: 2-3 ,Gods word is His 10 laws He gave Moses and 7 laws he gave Noah,the sex law differs between Noah and Moses.I think the rest of the bible is the word of man.#1 Thou shall have no other God before Me.I am a jealous God.
 

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I am a christian what you people might call a fanatic. I believe in the end times. But I believe the usa has taken on the role of the holy roman empire and that Mr. Bush is truly the Anti-Christ it does say in the end times many christians will be decieved by the Anti-Christ and there is no bigger deciever then George Bush.
 

Re: Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Supidity. The end times will hit the whole world, not only the pathetic USA.
 

Re: Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Before 1948, the Jews and the Arabs lived together in peace and harmony. The Arabs did not hate the Americans, and we did not have "suicide bombers" killing innocent people all over the world. The creation of the Zionist State of Israel (on stolen Palestinian land) started all the problems we are experiencing today.
The spread of Zionism, all over the world, (particularly in the USA), has made the problem even bigger.
Many Zionist nations are prepared to sacrifice their soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, to protect Israel from an imaginary enemy.
The monster we have created (Israel) brings us closer and closer to a third world war and Armagedon. There is still time to stop the extinction of the human species in a global nuclear war.
 

Re: Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

The only people who benefit when the silly Gentiles are killing each other, in futile wars, are the Jews.
Jews thrive on turmoil and strife.
Don't sacrifice our precious children for Israel
 

Typical useful idiot of the Jacobin faux "right"

You say you are a Christian. I won't debate that.

One thing you are as well is a typical faux "right" conspiracy theorist who believes that the so called "NWO" runs everything and is the "true enemy of all." With that, you are a useful idiot and are just as much of a problem for national security as the radical revolutionaries on the looney Left. Both you and they play into the hands of the foreign anti Western interests who want to see the US fall and want to conquer the West someday. We badly need sedition laws and you need to be investigated right along with all the Commies.

The Company
 

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Well, wouldn't it be a surprise if all the Christians still living in Iraq(There must be at least 144,000 who couldn't arrange to emigrate) actually do escape the ongoing conflagration in some sort of supernatural beaming up. Perhaps the Pope anticipated something like this when he decided to leave the staff of the Vatican legation in Baghdad. One almost would give all one's worldly goods to see Herr Ashcroft's face. Almost, but not quite since I'm afraid we US Christians will have to stick it out a bit longer and get whatever we are due. You know the separation of the sheep from the goats and all that.
 

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This is ridiculous. The right wing Christian community in the US is full of ignorant sheep with fangs. What we need is a good biblical scholar to debunk their absurd and dangerous belief system. People have been using the Book of Revelation and other apocalyptic passages in the Bible for 1800 years, predicting the end time in every century since the book was adopted into the Christian Canon (which was not a sure thing at the time at all). They claim the book of Revelation was written by the same man who wrote the Gospel according to John. They don't even share the same perspective or theology. GOJ advocates a realized eschatology, which basically argues that the end times are upon us, whereas Revelation predicts an end-time in the vaporous future that must be prepared for. GOJ is one of the most beautifully written books in the entire Bible; it's poetry is brilliant, it's theology sound and its ideas well organized and presented. The man who wrote GOJ was a true scholar whose quill spilled out a very elegant form of Greek. The writer of Revelation, however, was a hack. The writing is bad, the Greek is grammatically awkward, the symbols are a mishmash of symbols from GOJ as well as from some books in the old testament. They are inconsistent with theological premises laid down in GOJ. Let's be honest, the Book of Revelation is garbage. Any biblical scholar whose spent any time examining the texts of these documents in their original languages could tell you how poorly it is written in comparison to GOJ. But the fundamentalist Christians are interested in finding things in the bible that justify their beliefs...they do NOT fit their beliefs to the bible. Otherwise, being the literalists that they are, they would value women at 3/5 the value of men (the bible says so!), they would not be eating cheeseburgers or pizza (very much against the purity laws of kashrut), and they would be calling for the wealthy technocrats and corporate powers of america to give their money to the poor, instead of fighting to provide them with tax breaks paid for by eliminating funding for the medicare, medicaid, veterans, the elderly and children's programs. In short, the Christian evangelical community in america is probably on the side of evil. They are a front for everything that Christians are supposed to be against.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Hey, i thought that was Great writing. Freedom is the Future its the only way we can all get along. i would not want to be thous guys if there wrong. do you realy think GOD needs any help? or wants Death & Destruction to promote GOD's way. Sin plain and simple is when you harm some one no matter your intenchens. God gave us All Free will only an evil group would try and take it away. randY www.zeda.org
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

This makes me soooo glad I'm an Atheist. Maybe on the other
side of this, we will come to the realization that organized
religion is THE SCOURGE OF MANKIND!! and that the idea of god is the worst idea in the history of mankind, resulting in more pain, anguish, lost lives, and death than any other idea in the history of man.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

The article is right on target. It is difficult to believe tht arrogance of religious fundamentalism of every religion; Every generation has has people who believed they were in the "end times". The so called "Rapture" is a delusional fantasy of people who think they can control God for their own purposes and a very silly, if not so frightening read of the Book fo Revelations. John was writing in code language and symbolism soley about the hoped and prayed for fall of the Roman Empire. That's all! Serious study of the Bible reveals the "rapture" for what it is: a delusional fantasy.
 

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I knew he was a hardcore right wing christian, but i didnt realise to what extent it was. If this true( evidence beng that he allowed israel to level the jenin refugee camps in palestine at what was pratically an ORDER from this christian community) then sum1 needs 2 wake up and get rid of him.i Just believed he was a stupid puppet, and its true, but he knows what he's being controlled to do! Great article, thanx 4 the linx!
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

HOLY SHIT, it certainly seems probable. Those religious loonies believe all that crap... and that bastard in the White House and the nuts who share his views are all loony enough to believe it. For chrissakes, spread the news to the idiots who believe that Dubya knows what he's doing. Share it with Congress!!!! Maybe it isn't too late for SOMEONE to start Impeachment Procedings in the House. Our best bnet is Rep. Kucincich...our best bet against those
Republican terrorists who stole our govt.
 

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If these rabid Armageddonites read their Bible, they would see that the order in which things happen is, the Beast comes first, then the little beast, then the Anti-Christ. After that, you can begin to expect the return of Christ. That means those who favor this war are worshipping the Beast!
 

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Great Article, Cheryl! Sadly, your article is probably quite true; at least, your assertion that Christian fundamentalist ideas dominate the thinking of many of Bush's advisers and campaign contributors is unassailable. I heard that during Gulf War I, the Bush admin. and religious fanatics around it were going crazy because Hussein was doing archaeological work aimed at "restoring" the alleged sites of the Tower of Babel and babylon itself. Simple archaeological research was being seen by the religious right as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy.
This underscores the NEED for workers revolution here in the US in order to secure the very future existence of mankind.

Thanks for the article!

Varlet
Down With U.S. Imperialism!

Defend Iraq Against U.S./British Attack!

All U.S. and Allied Troops Out of the Near East Now!
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Well done Cheryl ... most humans, especially Americans, are dangerously self-absorbed and behave accordingly, so it's no stretch to think Mr. Bush is too.

I'm just waiting for some of these prophets ... specifically the Revelations writer to reincarnate saying, "Whoa hang on boys ... I was drunk and stoned when I wrote that."

Is it too much to ask our prophets and uber-authors to write the future when they're in a good mood?

TF
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

For thruth in Biblical views on this war and it's instigators check out www.liferesearchuniversal.com/judas.html
www.liferesearchuniversal.com/realwar.html
www.liferesearchuniversal.com/rise.html

Also if interested there is a section outlining the article-mentioned EndTimes and gives a timeline as well as a list of chronological events.
www.liferesearchuniversal.com/endtime.html

This is not a site related to or endorsing the so-called American moral-majority, or it's exagerated and erroneous misplaced beliefs, although it does fringe on the marginal.

Thank You.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

I would agree 100% and I have been trying to tell people this for years now. I'm glad there are people out there waking up to the christian rights obsesssion with the second coming syndrome and armagedanomics...Some more great reading on the rise of the christian right can be found at:

www.4religious-right.info/Religious_Right_Dominion_Gov.html

www.4religious-right.info/Religious_Right_Dominion_Gov.html

John Hogue at www.hogueprophecy.com has a good book out to that examines this "propheganda" and "armagdonomics" as he calls it called Messiahs, visions and prophecies for the second coming.......as he states, over 777 mesiahs are being expected to return over the next 40 years........
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

In a sense, Henry Luce brought Graham to power. Around 50 years ago, he sent his magazine people a memo that read, "Puff Graham."
 

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I believe if this has anything to do with Babylon! Bush hasn't a clue, He appears to have no understanding about anything, I mean NO FEELINGS!
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Some one need to read the entire chapter 28 of Deuteronomy, especially the following part. Pay particular attention to the word "again"

028:063 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 028:064 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 028:065 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 028:066 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 028:067 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 028:068 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

 

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entertaining, fun, creative
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Ok, while I will give you that this war has it's own questions of morality and obviously whether or not it is the most legal thing in the world to do, I take grand offense at your lumping together of Christians who are true believers and who know that there isn't a single person on this earth that can bring about Armageddon, let alone the return of Christ. If you will read the text you are so maligning, namely the book of Revelations, you will see that ALL of the events are brought on by God Himself, not by Bush, Blair, CNN, CBN, etc, any of these folk. For them to even partily believe they are acting on "God's Will", is to limit God to a human timetable - turning God into a "Cosmic Candy Machine" - ie, we can force God into accelerating His plan just because we ask it or act like we're in charge. All I'm saying is don't lump in and disparage every believer just because you're looking for a reason to make idiots out of us all...
 

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I think it might have been 1948 when Henry Luce, the publisher of Time, Life & Newsweek, & maybe also the now-defunct "Washington Star," sent his underlings a memo that read "Puff Graham." That meant "Give Graham a lot of publicity." Luce must have known that Graham was a fanatic. His reason for that puffery may have been to instigate a crusade against the Moslem world, because that was where most of the oil was.

Luce knew of course that oil is such an important source of power that whoever can "corner the world market" of oil can rule the world. Also, when the world's dwindling oil supply is almost gone, those who possess the little that is left can continue to survive, while others die.

This is in accordance with the Stoic philosophy of the ancient Roman Emperors. If the oil were shared, the fortunate ones would die as soon as everyone else.

Billy Graham once got into the White House when Truman was president, but Truman gave orders for keeping him away after that. However Richard Nixon made an alliance with Graham, and after he became president there was a lot of collaboration between church and state. In Graham's syndicated newspaper column in 1953, he attempted prevent criticism of Nixon by saying "The powers that be are ordained of God." (That was one of the old stock arguments that were used to support the doctrine of Divine Right Of Kings.)
 

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This article, unfortunately, validates my argument. It seemed obvious that it was no conincidence that when the extreme right gained control of the media and government, that the RC Church has come under fire after managing to avoid media wide scrutiny for decades.
I've been concerned about the administration's link to Armageddon since it gained power. The big question is how to make more of the mainstream Americans aware?
 

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An interesting sidenote: The Bible says Babylon -- destroyed by God for being a pit of sinners -- shall never be rebuilt. This is often pointed out by Biblical literalists and Christian apologists as proof of the Bible innerency. It says the only thing that will ever live in Babylon are scorpions and jackals.

Anyway, a few years ago Saddam had mentioned a plan to REBUILD Babylon! Of course, if he did actually rebuild it and people started living there it would be a major blow to the supposed innerency of the Bible. When I heard about Saddam's plan a few years back, I remember thinking "wouldn't it be wild of Bush attacked Iraq before Saddam had a chance to rebuild Babylon?"
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Wacko yes, but hardly surprising considering that about half the people in the US consider themselves "fundamentalist Christians".

See the March 2003 Harpers Magazine for an equally revealing investigative story about a very creepy religious group that has been around for a long time and has made "friends" with many current and past politicians in Washington.

We are headed for nothing but trouble.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

great man! i use to be desperate thinking all the americans and brits were blind. i am relieved to see people like u
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

This is truly amazing. Every day we see new Revelations that suggest the comparison between Adolf Hitler and George Bush. Hitler believed he was divinely inspired. When he escaped from an assassination attempt in 1944 he became totally convinced that no one could kill him. He believed that god (whatever that may be in his crazed mind) was watching over him and would see his salvation and the establishment of his empire. Bush is a carbon copy of Hitler.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

I knew it! Those damn Christians! So this whole time Bush's
secret master plan has been unfolding! And here I just thought
he was trying to pop that puss pocket of hate that is the Middle East.
Now it all makes sense. He and his handpicked cabinet of fanatic
fundies, CNN, Fox, the BBC Tony Blair and Eastern Europe are in
conspiracy with John the Baptist and the Arch Angle Michael to bring
aboutthe end times and overthrow the Vactican. I knew it!
Know If we could just vaporize Bush with our collective mind lazers,
and find a nice atheist like Stalin or Mao perhaps we could straighten
out this screwed up country. Gee thanks Baltimore IMC.
If you'll excuse me now I'm having lunch with Harry Potter.
We're going to come up with a master plan to foil Bush.
we couls
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Now I know that the conspiracy theorists of the far right have their counterpart on the left. What nonsense.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Lady and I use the word very loosely...You need to get off what ever it is you smoke and take a look at real life. Maybe a good start would be the many sites worth looking at that show how the events of 911 led to what is going on today. It would not suprize me at all to see your name on a petition to remove the name God from the pledge.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Cheryl, thank you for putting into succint words my vague fears about rabid Born Again Christians holding power over the US and the world. Anyone whose religious world view encompasses the End Times/Apocalypse/Armaggedon/Rapture, etc. MAY just want to give it a little push toward happening.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Fundelmental Christians are the blind leading the blind. I see Bush being a true dictator expecting Iraq to change its Regime. If its governed by an Iraq fine but not a military General of the US. I really feel this War has opened Pandora's Box, in otherwords all hell is breaking out.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

But arent the brains behind Bush all Jewish neo-conservatives?
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

i'm a Moslem (Islamic believer) and same as all original Christians,we believe in the end of time.
This event (WAR ON iRAQ) has already being told to us (moslems)that war in Iraq will absolutely happen.nO MATTER we like it or not.And thus, this war is like a sign before the "anti christ" appearence.If you like to know the nearest time for that "anti-christ" guy to appears, find out when will be the year which , all the rain in this whole world will drop just one third of its amount (for the whole year) and then two third for the second year, and full three third of the amount on the third year.And by that time, its up to you to believe it or not..(wanna know more about the anti christ? just type "Dajjal" in your search engine...
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

The bible clearly states (Revelation 7) that 144,000 Jews will be saved during the tribulation. It goes as far as naming each tribe!!! Also it says NOTHING about only a 144,000 going to heaven. In fact it promises eternal life to ANYONE who accepts Jesus as their savior. (John 3:16; Revelation 3:20) The fact is God is NOT going to leave the Jews to burn and many of them will be saved. Praise the Lord! I urge you to read the bible for yourself. Also Billy Graham did not say anti-semitic comments against the Jews by saying (if he actually said the following) "The three gravest menaces faced by orthodox Christianity are communism, Roman Catholicism, and Mohammedism." None of these are jewish. I have seen Billy Graham and he does NOT claim to be the reincarnation of John the Baptist and speaks the truth that Jesus is Lord.

Prophsies about the anti-christ (referred to as a beast in scripture) have him rising out of a ten nation confederation(The ten horns). He will be a great speaker and speak boastfully, deceiving many.(Daniel 7:7-12) These things will come to pass.

Also about President Bush, he is not crazy and I am glad to have a President who stands up in this time of darkness. I am glad to see him standing up against gay marrage and passing laws against partial birth abortion. The war in Iraq was just and not a Bush attempt to fulfill prophecy. I am proud of our brave soldiers who fought in Iraq and Afganistan.

I am a Christian who believes Jesus as my personal savior. Jesus last commandment was to "love one another" (John 13:34-35).
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

The "antichrist" is everyone that opposes Christ and not a person or a particular nation...the beast with ten heads represents the political system and the harlot riding this beast is Babylon the Great and represents FALSE RELIGION.This harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth by making aliances with them but,these kings of the earth will eventually turn against her and destroy her and GOD will in turn destroy these kings of the earth at ARMAGEDDON...The bible says that the world is lying under the power of the WICKED ONE(SATAN)and therefore all these earthly governments are controled by Satan and his demons and we should not put our trust in them...The two-horned beast represents the ANGLO-AMERICAN world power and this beast looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon in the sense that it talks about freedom,democracy and human rights but it rains bombs and missiles on those who oppose its will...The nations of the world will eventually give power to the U.N. to bring about peace and security to mankind but,GOD will destroy them because only the kingdom of GOD can bring about everlasting peace and security and not governments that care,only,about their own interests.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

The "antichrist" is everyone that opposes Christ and not a person or a particular nation...the beast with ten heads represents the political system and the harlot riding this beast is Babylon the Great and represents FALSE RELIGION.This harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth by making aliances with them but,these kings of the earth will eventually turn against her and destroy her and GOD will in turn destroy these kings of the earth at ARMAGEDDON...The bible says that the world is lying under the power of the WICKED ONE(SATAN)and therefore all these earthly governments are controled by Satan and his demons and we should not put our trust in them...The two-horned beast represents the ANGLO-AMERICAN world power and this beast looks like a lamb but speaks like a dragon in the sense that it talks about freedom,democracy and human rights but it rains bombs and missiles on those who oppose its will...The nations of the world will eventually give power to the U.N. to bring about peace and security to mankind but,GOD will destroy them because only the kingdom of GOD can bring about everlasting peace and security and not governments that care,only,about their own interests.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

The saddest thing in reading most of these comments is that so many people are lost, and chose not to seek the truth. The scriptures tell us about wars, and talk of wars but it states the end is not yet. The 144,000 are jews for the uninformed, the sex law as put by one was not given until moses, prior to that there were no ten commandments. The raputure cannot be forced and will not take place until the fullness of the gentils has occured. Please, I am asking anyone who shall read this, My LORD is long suffering and judgment will come on an unbelieving world, but there is hope which he has given to us in Christ Jesus who because the Father loved us so much that he paid the price for our sins, all we have to do is accept His gift of grace. Do not harden your hearts, but ask this question what bad thing does the scriptures tell you, or does it fully explain the cause of all problems in the heart of man, and the solution. Jesus
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

there will always be those people who try to put the round peg in the square hole. this article is an example of that. lunacy!
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

"Puss pocket of hate".. funny.. though, it seems, despite what Shrubby says, that the "hate" is so intense because WE keep putting our foot up people's asses and they are retaliating. If we'd just stay out of their politics they would just stay out of our lives.. Unfortunately, religion causes people to act in ways that are illegal and immoral, yet claim justice in the "name of god".. now, -there- is some lunacy for you..

Mable.. Have you been to any of the sites that look at the FACTS and EVIDENCE (something good little Christians don't do) about Sept. 11, 2001 and imply that our own government might have been involved? that there are way too many unanswered questions, and our government is sweeping it under the rug? If you consider the possibility that Shrubby and his crew concocted 9/11 (or let it happen on purpose through inaction, which is supported by fact as well), then "all the things happening now as a result" become suspect. Not to mention, you ill-informed twit, Iraq had NOTHING to do with Sept. 11.. -nothing-.. and the "WMD" rouse for war was a PROVED LIE.. hello?

Also.. go take a look at the ORIGINAL Pledge of Allegence.. no mention of "god" in that one (or "United States" for that matter). The god bit was added by CONGRESS well after the original was accepted as our Pledge.. Not to mention, the supporting of "God" in our pledge (and on our money) is showing support for "one religion over another", strictly forbidden under our Constitution.. Any Christian NOT willing to have it REMOVED from the Pledge (and money) is ANTI-AMERICAN.. get it? Your religion is YOUR business, but is NOT the business of GOVERNMENT.. which means, anything OFFICIAL(y sanctioned by our government in any form) must be DEVOID of ALL religious implications.

The -fact- that so many religious types can't get their head around the sepperation of Church and State is -exactly- what this article hints at (though, it goes further to imply that the really nuts Christians out there mean to destroy the world in the name of god..)
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

"Puss pocket of hate".. funny.. though, it seems, despite what Shrubby says, that the "hate" is so intense because WE keep putting our foot up people's asses and they are retaliating. If we'd just stay out of their politics they would just stay out of our lives.. Unfortunately, religion causes people to act in ways that are illegal and immoral, yet claim justice in the "name of god".. now, -there- is some lunacy for you..

Mable.. Have you been to any of the sites that look at the FACTS and EVIDENCE (something good little Christians don't do) about Sept. 11, 2001 and imply that our own government might have been involved? that there are way too many unanswered questions, and our government is sweeping it under the rug? If you consider the possibility that Shrubby and his crew concocted 9/11 (or let it happen on purpose through inaction, which is supported by fact as well), then "all the things happening now as a result" become suspect. Not to mention, you ill-informed twit, Iraq had NOTHING to do with Sept. 11.. -nothing-.. and the "WMD" rouse for war was a PROVED LIE.. hello?

Also.. go take a look at the ORIGINAL Pledge of Allegence.. no mention of "god" in that one (or "United States" for that matter). The god bit was added by CONGRESS well after the original was accepted as our Pledge.. Not to mention, the supporting of "God" in our pledge (and on our money) is showing support for "one religion over another", strictly forbidden under our Constitution.. Any Christian NOT willing to have it REMOVED from the Pledge (and money) is ANTI-AMERICAN.. get it? Your religion is YOUR business, but is NOT the business of GOVERNMENT.. which means, anything OFFICIAL(y sanctioned by our government in any form) must be DEVOID of ALL religious implications.

The -fact- that so many religious types can't get their head around the sepperation of Church and State is -exactly- what this article hints at (though, it goes further to imply that the really nuts Christians out there mean to destroy the world in the name of god..)
 

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Sorry about the double post.. apparently this page can't be refreshed.
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Look lets stop all the jibber jabbing about end times events...I am a ordain minister who is considered one of the best theologians of endtime subjects ...if we really want to know about god's time table let us consider matthew 24chapterand luke 21st to the end... there will be a nuclear war, you can count on it prsident bush was put in office by God....and he is not the anti christ .the Anti christ will come from the jewish linage and from the european union.Dont blame the US for helping out....really no matter what we do yea or nay....it will still happen just like the bible predicts it will happen.This world will end on an a sharp note whether we like it or not.you can phone me at 404-484-0806 I am also an atlanta police officer call me if i am not available ...leave a message.......
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

Look lets stop all the jibber jabbing about end times events...I am a ordain minister who is considered one of the best theologians of endtime subjects ...if we really want to know about god's time table let us consider matthew 24chapterand luke 21st to the end... there will be a nuclear war, you can count on it prsident bush was put in office by God....and he is not the anti christ .the Anti christ will come from the jewish linage and from the european union.Dont blame the US for helping out....really no matter what we do yea or nay....it will still happen just like the bible predicts it will happen.This world will end on an a sharp note whether we like it or not.you can phone me at 404-484-0806 I am also an atlanta police officer call me if i am not available ...leave a message.......
 

Re: Marching on Babylon: Is Bush Acting Out an Elaborate Religious Fantasy thru War?

yes i believe bush and his administration is planning something much bigger than just fighting for oil in iraq. it is about faith and what you believe in. the vatican church has been behind the sceen manipulating man to follow instead of leading the christian crusade which was a raid stripping nations of thier id and i will be the one who stops the water fire earth and wind nations from destroying this world as we know it nice article and useful infomation
 

Uninformed and Uneducated Children Need To Go Back To School. (If God Were Still Allowed There.)

Omgosh, could you have honestly been more uninformed about the Rapture of the Church and the Tribulation after??
#1, 144,000 "Good Christians" as you put it, is actually after the Rapture of the Church and will be 144,000 Jewish witnesses from the 12 tribes of Israel who will evangalize the Word of God to the world. The people who will be actually Rapture prior to this will be all the true Christians (dead and alive in that order) who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, admit they are sinners, ask God for forgivness, truly believe he died for our sins, and that he rose on the 3rd day. (Easter)
#2, The battle of Armageddon does not happen until after the Glorious Appearing of Christ at the end of the 7 year Tribulation (which is started after the signing of the treaty with Irael with the AntiChrist shortly after the Rapture of the Church) and his 1000 year reign on the world, at which time the army's of Gog and Magog will come agianst Christ at Mount Megiddo with "an army as countless as the stars" and God will send fires to rain down from the sky, great earthquakes to crush these armies, before they make it out of the mountains.
#3, Don't believe it is happening soon? Look at the signs, according particularly to the Books of Eziekial, Daniel, and Revelations. This country was created for religious freedom, yes believe it or not that was what AMERICA was founded for, for people to escape religious persecution, and yet now, what has happened? The gays have more rights than the christians, groups like the ACLU are on the forefront of the war on christianity, God has been removed from schools, and there are talks of changing our MONEY from saying In God We Trust. Our forefathers would be rolling in their collective graves.

Jesus Chist is my personal savior and I will be praying for the soul's of all the uninformed posters on this website, in hopes that you too someday might truly find Christ in your hearts.

God Bless America and May Christ be With All of You.
 

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