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CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

What David Kay is leaving out of his bio these days is that until 2002, he was VP of SAIC, a company rolling in Bush defense contracts. Kay produced "retroactive" evidence of WMDs for Bush I. Now he's Bush and Tenet's pick to get the goods...tho' he was fired in 1992 from his UN job for unethical behavior.
Like Bremer, Rice, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the cast of hardened corporate characters, David Kay is an overfed relic from a past rightwing hawk regime. Under Reagan, he was a chief scientist for the Pentagon [see revelation as to Kay's "scientific background" at baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4522/index.php]
as well as serving as a section chief for the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Administration of the UN) from 1983 until 1991. During this time, Hans Blix - Kay's boss - who was a man of integrity, was continually pressured by first Reagan, then Bush I. to come up with 'evidence' that oil-rich Iraq posed a sufficient nuclear threat for the US to invade (and thus to capture the oil).

In fact, until Kay came along, most experts in most western nations believed there was no evidence for an extensive WMD program in Iraq. But after the war, when Bush I needed greater validation for his actions in the run up to the 1992 election, Kay was made chief nuclear inspector for the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) on Iraq. UNSCOM was created in response to the Bush claims that Iraq was a hotbed of WMD weaponry that had to be 'dismantled.' Kay's investigations turned up all sorts of 'evidence' -given the time lapse from the end of the war to Kay's mission, who knows how much of it was planted -possibly all of it. Certainly the contributions of some 'defectors' have been totally dicredited. But UNSCOM produced the same sort of arrays of conveniently -in fact, unbelievably- detailed documents, all just left 'just laying around,' waiting to be found by Kay and company. The same evidence we hear reported ad infinitum and sans question on NBC, CNN, et al. Thanks to Kay's obliging efforts for Bush after Gulf War I, the stage was neatly set for Gulf War II. In fact, the entire invasion of Iraq was trumped up over the UN clause referring to WMDs.

Whenever Kay makes the rounds of the Bush-controlled media these days, he is always introduced only as 'former UN chief weapons inspector' and 'senior fellow at the Potomac Institute for Policy Research.' In short, Kay skips over several years of his interim history. Why? Maybe because during the 'missing years,' he was Vice President of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), a company with extremely close ties to the Pentagon and to the Bush administration in particular. A company up to its armpits in post-war Iraqi business, not to mention secret contracts rumored to involve electronic spying. A company in which Kay is rumored to still hold a sizeable chunk of stock, one where he maintains a rich network of inside connections.

SAIC's recent history is interesting, to say the least. The company was commissioned by G. W. Bush in 2002 to construct a replica of a mobile WMD laboratory of the sort used by Saddam. This mock up, supposedly destined to be used to train teams searching for WMDs in Iraq, was designed by Stephen Hatfill, the WMD expert now being harangued into isolation and thus silence by Bush's FBI. Last spring, the Bush administration handed SAIC some of the biggest defense contract plums to be had -a billion-dollar chunk of the NexGen business and an unbelievably porky 10-year contract worth over $600 million. I bet Kay just danced a jig of joy over that one, with visions of overflowing stock returns. Just think how much gratitude a couple of billion dollars can buy. Maybe even enough to produce another round of "evidence," thus setting the stage for Gulf War III?

But back to Gulf War I's aftermath. In 1992, Kay was fired from his UN position for trying to use underhanded methods (intriguing with the CIA and Iraqi thugs) to obtain 'informants' willing to feed him whatever information he needed (true or not). One such informant appears to be Khidir Hamza, whose 'evidence' was completely discredited by 1995. However, even in the aftermath of Kay's near-disgrace, Blix refused to bad-mouth him, as a matter of gentlemanly principles. "How did Kay repay Blix for defending him?" asks highly credentialed physicist James Gordon Prather, in a June 30, 2003 interview in the Worldnet Daily website. "He repeatedly testified before congressional committees in the months preceding Operation Iraqi Freedom as to the ineptness of Blix and the U.N. inspection regimes. Kay argued that Saddam certainly had "weapons of mass destruction" that the UN inspectors would never find and that it would ultimately be necessary to invade and occupy Iraq to find them."

If you have smelled a rat by now, then you are on the right scent. To put it all together, here is a time line that shows how the David Kay-Bush-phony evidence story all stitches together.

1983-1988: Kay worked under Ronald Reagan as a chief scientist in the Pentagon. [See exposé on Kay's "science credentials" at baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4522/index.php
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1983-1992: Kay was on the staff of the UN International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), under the direction of Hans Blix. Both Reagan and Bush I sought an excuse to invade oil-rich Iraq, and viewed 'evidence' of nukes the best motivator for the American public. Blix, however, was a man of integrity who could not be bought, and refused to be pressured, marking him forever as an 'enemy' of the Neocon hawks. European experts, both before and during Gulf War I, support Blix's conclusions that Iraq does not have nuclear weaponry, and that WMD programs, if they exist, are limited in scope.

1990-1991: Battling waning popularity, Bush makes a case for invading Iraq. According to ex-CIA agents from the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, "On September 11, 1990, President George H. W. Bush, addressing a joint session of Congress, claimed '120,000 Iraqi troops with 850 tanks have poured into Kuwait and moved south to threaten Saudi Arabia.' But an enterprising journalist, Jean Heller, reported in the St. Petersburg Times on January 6, 1991 (a bare ten days before the Gulf War began) that commercial satellite photos taken on September 11, the day the president spoke, showed no sign of a massive buildup of Iraqi forces in Kuwait. When the Pentagon was asked to provide evidence to support the president’s claim, it refused to do so—and continues to refuse to this day."Thus G.W. was not the first Bush to lie during a major presidential address.

Before the war, the Bush administration hired the PR firm Hill & Knowlton to 'sell the war.' One of the most eager of its expert propagandistas was Victoria Clark (yep, that Victoria Clark). The H&K folks concoct a World War I-style lurid story of babies being yanked from incubators and left to die by Iraqi soldiers. The 15 year-old Kuwaiti girl called Nayirah, who tearfully told Congress this tale, proves to be none other than the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington. She was never in Iraq during the war at all. She later admits the whole story was made up and that her performance had been coached by Clark and the others at H&K. H&K is also responsible for coaching 7 other "witnesses" of Iraqi atrocities.

1990-1992: His popularity in the wake of the war and the economy he has trashed, Bush seeks to gain stature in the run up to election 1992 by magnifying, retroactively, the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. David Kay is named to head UNSCOM's nuke search. One of the other inspectors on UNSCOM's teams was biological weapons expert David Kelly. Kay's job: go into Kuwait and Iraq and produce evidence of WMDs . Kay now claims Saddam had a 'horrifyingly' huge WMD program, including nukes in the making - that he had been, in fact, just MONTHS away from being able to launch a nuclear weapon. The message, of course: "Reelect Bush - just think what an awful fate he saved us all from!". Much of Kay's case relied on cutting tenuous deals with Iraqi "scientists" of dubious credentials and CIA operatives and with producing astoundingly (insanely, in fact) detailed documents on the alleged weapons program that had just been left laying conveniently around (sound familiar?). Although Kay produces a report that includes the allegations on Saddam's nuke program, he is removed from his position with the UN for his unethical behavior.

1995:the IAEA reveals that documents supplied to them earlier by Khirid Hamza, who claimed to be a key scientist on Sadam's nuclear program, were faked. It is also revealed that Hamza's claims about his own background were grossly exaggerated.

1992-2002: Kay begins to make the lecture circuit, whipping up the case against Saddam Hussein, keeping the "threat" alive through the Clinton years while the GOP sets its NeoCon machinery (driven by Newt Gingrich in its first stage) in motion.

1993-2002: Kay becomes the VP of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), the same company that Stephen Hatfill, a WMD expert, worked for until March 2002.

Fall 2001:SAIC is commissioned by the Pentagon to create a replica of a mobile WMD "laboratory", alleged to have been used by Saddam (was there ever such a thing - or was the "replica" created to fix an image in the mind of the military and later the public?) . The Pentagon claims the trailer is to be used as a training aide for teams seeking weapons of mass destruction in Iraq....even though Afghanistan had not yet been invaded. The primary designer/advisor of the replica? Stephen Hatfill.

Early 2002: As soon as the replica is completed, Stephen Hatfill becomes a "person of interest" to the FBI in the anthrax case. They begin to hound his every step -without ever bringing any charges or even declaring him a suspect. With suspicion for such a horrendous crime thrown on him, Hatfill is put in a position of never being able to creditably reveal any potentially damning information on the activities of SAIC or the Pentagon to light.

March 4 2002:SAIC fires Hatfill as a 'liability.'

March 2002: the Bush administration awards SAIC a massive defense contract, potentially worth at least $1 billion.

October 2002: Kay leaves SAIC and becomes a 'senior fellow' at the Potomac Institute for Policy Research, where he is thus positioned to become an 'objective expert' for nuclear weapons for the Bush administration in its run up to the war. In all of Kay's citations in the news and before interviews, he is invariably referred to as "David Kay, former chief UN weapons inspector and senior fellow at the Potomac Instsitute for Policy Research. The SAIC connection is neatly omitted.

Sept. 2002: Khidir Hamza is brought in by the Bush administration to testify before Congress to whom he makes a long list of allegations, including Saddam's closeness to weapons production, his ties to Al Queda, etc. Despite Hamza's earlier exposure as a liar, his testimony was still taken seriously by Congress and the media, and trumpeted as some of the most compelling cause for war.

February 2003: The Iraqi Reconstruction and Development Council is created. A disproportionate number of the "Iraqi nationals" on this council are employees of SAIC, including Khidir Hamza.

May 2003:Khidir Hamza is sent by the Pentagon to Iraq to head the nuclear industry there - a nice big fat reward for 'services rendered.'

June and early July 2003: pressure on Bush to find WMD 'evidence' grows. A statement made by Bush in his state of the Union address in October 2002 about Saddam's attempts to buy uranium from Africa is revealed as false. George Tenet takes the blame. Meanwhile, he has hired David Kay to lead a team of inspectors in Iraq to produce evidence of WMDs...including nukes.

And so we come full circle....back to 1992. Same game. Same players. Same lies.

UPDATE:

July 18: David Kelly, former member of UNSCOM who has been to Iraq 37 times on weapons inspections and was believed to be in the process of presenting evidence that showed that Blair doctored his "Iraq dossier," is found dead. Anyone who seriously believes this was a "suicide" probably still believes in the tooth fairy, too.

FOR A SURPRISING FOLLOWUP TO THIS STORY, SEE "CORRECTION: DAVID KAY IS NOT A SCIENTIST OF ANY KIND"

baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/4522/index.php


Also...see the latest article in Cheryl Seal's regular column AGAINST THE TIDE at News Insider (newsinsider.org):

"INVISIBLE TROOPS: US PEACEKEEPERS GROUNDED AT HOME"
www.newsinsider.org/seal/us_peacekeepers_grounded_at_home.html

While Bush deploys phonies like David Kay to post-war Iraq, why does he fail to deploy REAL, highly trained peacekeepers - an inside story with info supplied by members of PSYOPS



Background Info on David Kay and Iraq WMD "Evidence"

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity - article details Bush I's fabrication of evidence
www.commondreams.org/views03/0425-11.htm

Ex-CIA Officers Reveal Bush I Fabrication of Evidence
baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/index.php

Worldnet Interview with James Gordon Prather on David Kay
216.239.39.104/search

David Kay Comments at Middle East Institute in 1997 when still VP of SAIC
www.wrmea.com/Washington-Report_org/www/backissues/0497/9704057a.html

"Kill them Before they can Kill Us" : Comments by David Kay and Paul Bremer in Israel Forum, Dec. 2002
www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3

A Detailed, Highly researched "dossier" on David Kay

216.239.53.104/search

Pentagon rewards Khidir Hamza, accused author of forged nuke documents, with position as head of post-war Iraqi nuclear industry

globalresearch.ca/articles/HUG306A.html

Example of David Kay anti-Iraq/nuke scare lecture circuit spiel
www.wrmea.com/Washington-Report_org/www/backissues/0497/9704057a.html

--- copyright 2003 Cheryl Seal ---
 
 

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Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

David Kay is not a scientist. His PhD is in Foreign Affairs or some such. On the other hand, I am a Physicist and was Chief Scientist for the Army during the Reagan Years. Please don't get me confused with that guy.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Re: Dr. Prather's comment above:

Believe me, Dr. Prather, I would be no more likely to confuse you with the odious Mr. Kay that I would be to confuse granite with quicksand! And, from the sounds of it, Mr. Kay's quicksand is a lot "shiftier" than even I suspected! I at least gave him credit for having some sort of science credientials. Jeez! Who will Bush send next as his "chief nuclear WMD expert"? Dr. Laura? I hear she has a degree in physiology, which actually makes her better qualified than "Dr." Kay! But then again, she isn't a former excec of a defense corporation....a serious drawback on her "resume."

Btw - I would have included your credentials in my reference to you, but they went on for five lines! To save space and summarize, I finally just settled for "highly credentialed."

All the best,
Cheryl Seal
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

This article is good and factual. i do want to bring to your attention that the same kay was shown on CNN by hidden camera that he was breaking to personal files! and not inspecting the WMD! it was big scandle! iraq has exposed this guy before infront all the world! Now he will doing the same!!
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Kay is over there now to put together WMD Program for Iraq. of course they will be relying on all the documents to do this. but remember, these are the same documents that were "blowing" all over the place when the troops first entered baghdad. first accounts state that the US had little interest in these documents as the looters were tossing them everywhere. further, a UK Telegraph reporter walked right past some CIA fellows and discovered the famous "galloway" papers and the "bin-ladin/saddam" papers. then in less than a week Christian Science Monitor reported that they had tested these documents and they were frauds. there are two end results that we can count on in six months: 1. kay will present a "compelling" story of WMD's in Iraq and 2. they will be a direct result of US planted forged documents. (they even have some italian writing on them)
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

In a world where covert groups love to us word games if we are awake we can begin to peek behind the curtain. SAIC is an example just flip the word around and replace the last word with Science and you have your answer topart of this little puzzle.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

That name, David Kay, rings a bell. He's the "expert" the right wing trots out every time they need to counted persons who can truthfully attest to nthe fact that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. And, of course, he performs on cue.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

I'm sick...my stomache hurts.
This needs to be put in the mass media (like everything else)...
How about Seymour Hersh, this is right up his alley..
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

David Kay was expose by iraq with his lies back then during 1995-1996 while he was trying to steal personnel document and was not authroize by UN it was show even in CNN how iraq hidden camera expose him (this theif) and agent of israel! It is a shame, the game is the same! and once again, he will disgrace the USA reputation by planting false evidence! I feel it in the air!!!
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Isn't giving false testimony to Congress a criminal offense, Olly?
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Wether it is Kay or the Man from the Moon.
It does not really matter anymore. The credebility of the USA is at absolute below Zero, far below. Laughing stock to 80 percent of this world's population. Liars, Fabricators and Danger to the Worldpeace.
If at this point Kay al at sudden would find WMD ? It would make the USA rating even worse.
No-one in his right mind does believe the USA fabrications.
Didn't for decades. As we saw it coming.
Bush was merely the trigger to let our feelings towards the USA arrogance come out in the open so clear.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Do you folks really believe this junk? I mean REALLY believe it? Do you?

What scares me is the thought that you actually do believe it.

Before I go, let me point out that even IF this story is true, you neglect to point out that from 1992-2000 the Clinton administration was in on this deception as well. You may as well condemn all of Washington now. Don't forget Mr. Clinton's immortal words - "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's NUCLEAR, CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. " - December 1998 (emphasis added)

Looks like your hero was up to his head in this conspiracy.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Where is Major Scott Ridder?
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Thank God for aricles like this one that expose what goes so suspiciously and obviously unreported by the mainstream corporate media COWARDS. I just wish there was some way to get the word out to the masses. These kinds of stories should be the most relentlessly pursued and reported on, for the good of the American people...yet the mainstream news blackout continues to the detriment of us all. Reading this story about David Kay JUST SCREAMS corruption and lies but yet, nobody knows about it but those who use the internet and discover sites like indymedia for truthful and diverse news. Just look at Poindexter and Perle and it's obvious how bad things really are. Most people live in total ignorance of the torid downhill plunge we have all unknowingly embarked upon. Only a minority of Americans regularly access the internet, let alone search for news. It's so depressing I just can't even deal with it half the time. It's hard not to pine for a Canada or the EU residence permit just to avoid the continuing torment of watching all of Jefferson's warnings turn amazingly prophetic and our little experiment in democracy reach the point of a surreal joke.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

SAIC is supposed to be a wholly employee-owned company. It would be interesting to learn if Kay actually still held any siginificant amounts of stock in the company.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

This is such a load of conspiratorial crap. Isn't it just possible that getting rid of Saddam was actually a good thing? That Bush wanted to get rid of him no matter what, and that conveniently Iraq _did_ have an illicit WMD program? Have you read Hans Blix's reports? Have you seen how many things that he believed Iraq covered up and lied about?

By working under the assumption that anything and everything that Bush's government does is wrong, you do your own cause an extreme disservice. It is possible to do the right thing with the wrong motives. You will have so much more credibility if you search out the truth, instead of searching out only evidence against Bush.

Extreme right wing, biased journalism needs an answer. Extreme left wing, biased journalism is not it.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

This is such a load of conspiratorial crap. Isn't it just possible that getting rid of Saddam was actually a good thing? That Bush wanted to get rid of him no matter what, and that conveniently Iraq _did_ have an illicit WMD program? Have you read Hans Blix's reports? Have you seen how many things that he believed Iraq covered up and lied about?

By working under the assumption that anything and everything that Bush's government does is wrong, you do your own cause an extreme disservice. It is possible to do the right thing with the wrong motives. You will have so much more credibility if you search out the truth, instead of searching out only evidence against Bush.

Extreme right wing, biased journalism needs an answer. Extreme left wing, biased journalism is not it.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

I've read rumor and innuendo before but this takes the cake. I love this part.. "was continually pressured by first Reagan, then Bush I. to come up with 'evidence' that oil-rich Iraq posed a sufficient nuclear threat for the US to invade (and thus to capture the oil). " What were we going to do after we "captured i?t" Do you have the slightest idea how the international oil markets work? I guess not, not any more of an idea of who had what job at the Pentagon.

Don't quit your day job...
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

why is all this information not revealed by the news media to the american public??who controls the media???
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

why is all this information not revealed by the news media to the american public??who controls the media???
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

The fact that Clinton believed the assertion that Iraq did indeed have WMD is no answer. Clinton being wrong in no way reduces the extent to which Bush was wrong. Perhaps Clinton was taken in, but remember it was the right-wing and not Clinton that actually perpetrated the deception. It is plausible that Clinton was aware of the facts but chose to ignore them, but I've never felt that Clinton was the ideal president. He simply looked good in comparison to the GOP.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

It's now Feb. 2004, and this story (to my knowledge is still not even touched by media..Republicans, Independents, or Democrats for that matter. Have you attempted to get it aired or printed elsewhere? I think it is MOST IMPORTANT you and all of us do. Would you send me a copy of the issue/s of any paper it has appeared in? Also please answer if Kay was involved in saying phar. Clinton had bombed had no evidence of chemical/bio lab or held no ingrediants that could have double us. Please clarify if you said Kay took to his lab bio found?
Could you send me copies to send to other media with you getting credit ..It's time we the people insist and get involved.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

conspiracy dwells in dark corners, behind closed doors, searching for the hidden truths. It is the realm of healthy skeptism, rather than blain washed, conditioned, and those who think only inside the box of their own prejudices. When a country's courts, military, administration, etc. are brought to question..put under surveillance cameras (now used to monitor caring citizens who love the soldiers who are being trained to work with local police..where the terrorists are not even looked at, but given safe passage & training at our expense) for Senate Intelligence Committee review, perhaps then their will be proof. Perhaps then the PR and excuses of the corrupt for profit politicians will be impeached or prosecuted. I do not care about their sex life if their is not public threat. I believe in accountability and it will come...when people care, but certainly in God's time we all will answer. I don't want to be held acct. now or then for the assassinations, warInc and all the deaths,testings,invasions, blk ops,profiteering to the pt of greed & fraud...thus I speak out. All who love our USA should call for information, openness & freedom at every turn.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

I can understand the position of those in the military, etc. indoctrinated to believe killing is the only way. Do they care about the country or those who die in the war? Are they so political and label minded that all who do not agree with them, who have done horrible things or who might stumble on the truth or expose them are better off assassinated because a new president order exists. As Bush has shown these can be erased with the sweep of a pin. Communism, liberals, conservative,natzism (sic) None of mankind is without error or sin, but all should be responsible for the choises they make. Labels do hurt, but I'd be more willing to be called a liberal than a natzi, & on the scale it's extreme communism, liberal, Democrat..R-Wing/consersatism Republican to extreme..natzism. There are always some among each party that want to dictate..none should be allowed, because we are not their slaves/property. We can know that truth as our forefathers came to see it, and demand a better way. I hate evil for it deceives and harms and corrupts and brings death. We have WMD & have or do sale them and have used them. So why should others not have the right to nat'l & self defence?9-11 was a day of horror & who did people turn to?
I'll dare answer it was not Bush, but to God and one another! It is now WE who are being pepper strayed, our nation's economy suffers, families suffer. Those corrupted want history forgotten. Shame! I'm ready for another Democrat
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

Some ask but is not the world better without Saddam? Have our soldiers died in vain? I return those questions to their senders, and I can answer for myself from what I see. To many here and around the world Saddam had help from us and to many Bush is evil. Would we desire he be removed by the same methods? If he has used his position & power should he not then be removed by lawful means. Some killed JFK because..multiple theories, but because they were ordered or took the law into their own hands, because they hated him. I'm a Democrat, but surely I wd not want to have seen Nixon or Bush killed by his enemies. In vain do those fighting die? I hope not; I hope that their memory will serve to call for their return & peace. Although law forbids they speak against the president, few do not know they are home sick and weary of war (especially the prospect of generations of wars) We need truth, discernment, mercy, privacy so long as we cause no harm and our God-given rights honored. We need to give up the myths, look behind the PR campaigns,get back to the basics. Most now fear & distrust, as well as pay taxes to support, our government & politicians & main stream media. This needs to be changed too. We pretend we are the saviors of the world, & yet we now cannot be sure our land is secure or defend or escape the realities enough to relax to enjoy life, liberty & our pursuit of happiness. Just like everything else (every other gift or privelege) government of itself is not bad; it (like all other/ can be used for good or evil. We MUST demand this country stands for truth and justice for all. The dog haters cannot forbid others to have dogs, etc.
 

Re: CHERYL SEAL SPECIAL REPORT: Did David Kay Engineer WMD Evidence for Bush I -and Now Bush 2?

A Must Read and circulate. We need to keep watch better. Thank you Cheryl. Would you please send or send me (so I can copy and send) a copy of your article and each of referenced articles to EACH person in the House & Senate to do who does anything about getting it out. I do not doubt early that Kay (this time) did not (yet) find WMD etc., but maybe we will never find out now when the next shoe was meant to fall in our for him to 'come through' for Bush II, as for his dad. Is it possible he lost his contracts or something?It seems that there must be more to this story to show why this time he did not find evidence they wanted. Maybe they have someone else in line to do so this time, so that Kay's past is not brought out by the Democrats to possibly prove the whole set-up of the prior war a sham. Maybe this is the information they want shield from the public. Maybe yet the Democrats who had the wool pulled over their eyes also, yet again, who gave Bush I and Bush II leave to war-for-profit, without letting most in on the fact that US helped (at the very least) set Saddam up with lethal weapons to kill first Iran citizens, to keep the balance. Have you done an article on Bush II's holdings in the Caspian Sea region? Have you done an article on Bush I holdings in Kuwait? I like all the references you gave to substantiate your article also. EXCELLENT.
 

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