Three kids viciously brutalized for nothing more than a public urination violation.
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At 2 am on May 16th, Tom Kolodziejski, Chuck Kolodziejski, Liz Ellis and I were hanging around on Allegheny Avenue in Towson Maryland. We were standing outside a pizza parlor called Pizza Boli's, talking to a couple kids from Towson University. Chuck stepped aside to go to the bathroom. Upon finding that Pizza Boli's didn't have a publicly-accessible one, he went down the block a bit and turned into an alley. Not two minutes went by when a police cruiser rolled down the street towards us. Suddenly they stopped short, backed up, and aimed their car down the alley at Chuck.
Officer Sherfey of the Towson police force stepped out of his vehicle and asked that Chuck approach him. Sherfey asked for identification, which Chuck was forced to admit he didn't have- he had lost his wallet earlier that day. After a good deal of discussion, Tom- Chuck's twin brother- stepped forward and offered his ID in desperate attempt to remove Chuck from the situation. The police officer didn't believe him and attempted to discern his identity through personal questions. Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained. However, upon inquiry of the definition of 'detained', Sherfey was unable to provide an answer. It was at this time that Sherfey called for backup. Within two minutes, six cruisers were parked on the street. Tom was getting visibly anxious and upset, speaking loudly to Chuck that this wasn't right. The new officers told him to step away from the situation, which he wasn't willing to do. Liz, however, stepped forward and pulled him aside in order to pacify him. They walked back to the front of Pizza Boli's [approximately 100 feet away] and sat down in two chairs in front of the window. This would be an indicator that Tom willfully removed himself from the situation.
At this time I was speaking to an Officer, asking why it was that they had the entire Towson police force out merely for a public urination. He told me that Towson is small- there's really nothing else to do than target drunk kids. Funny, that. We were on a block with plenty of bars, there were a plethora of drunk kids, yet Chuck- who wasn't even drunk- was the one being targeted.
While sitting with Liz, Tom was expressing his disgust of the situation to those who would listen- primarily the people we had been speaking to prior to the event. Three officers approached him in an aggressive manner- taking themselves away from the situation they were apparently there to provide backup for- and told him to stop swearing publicly. Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit," and he was immediately jumped on- his head hitting the window at Pizza Boli's- breaking the glass- and was thrown to the ground, and handcuffed. They then proceeded to pepper spray his face. When he turned his face away, they sprayed him from the other side.
Chuck and I noticed the ruckus and walked briskly forward, yelling "What are you DOING?! NO!" and were met with pepper spray. They primarily sprayed Chuck's neck, my arm, and parts of our faces. I was then grabbed by the front of my shirt and shoved backwards, away from Chuck and the officers. In doing this, they pulled my shirt and bra down, exposing my right breast. They grabbed Chuck and threw him facedown on the ground, handcuffing him. I watched him comply and heard them yell "STOP RESISTING!"
"I'm not resisting!" he cried. His arms were being pulled so far up his back that his body wouldn't allow for further movement- which could explain them saying he resisted.
Upon gaining composure, I ran into Pizza Boli's for water in order to flush out Tom's eyes. When I went outside to give it to him, I was stopped by Corporal T. Jones and was told I was not permitted to approach him.
"But he's hurting!" I said.
"It doesn't work that way," he responded.
"Fine, YOU give it to him," I replied. I gave the bottle to Jones and then turned back to Pizza Boli's.
There were a number of witnesses, so I went around and asked for names and numbers. Four people were willing to give me their information- the two kids we had been speaking to right before the incident, and two kids who had stopped when they saw Chuck peeing and the officer pull up.
By this time there were seven cruisers, a canine unit, a paddy wagon, and a plainclothes cop. There were a lot of police on the scene, and they were all in a large group. I stepped towards them and yelled, in order to ensure that they all heard me, "I would like all of your names and badge numbers!" Jones stepped forward to me again and told me that he would be willing to give me all of the information I requested after the boys had been taken care of. Then he yelled in my face, "NOW GET BACK!" I didn't move, responding, "You have no reason to yell at me." "If you don't get back, I'll place you under arrest." I remained standing where I was and replied, "I have every legal right to ask that I obtain badge numbers." I was then spun around and handcuffed. Jones then pulled me to the side of a bench, which he repeatedly shoved me into. I tried to sit down, thinking this is what he wanted me to do, and he yelled, "STAND THERE!" I said, "What do you want me to do, sir? Sit, or stand?" "STAND THERE!" he responded. "Well you need to stop pushing me so I CAN stand here, sir," I stated. The pushing stopped.
Chuck was loaded into a cruiser and Tom was put in the paddy wagon. When the boys were safely secured, I, too, was placed in the wagon. I sat across from Tom who was blind, bleeding from wounds on his face, and crying- rolling his face against the fencing and moaning in pain.
Upon arriving at the precinct, Tom and I were separated. Upon speaking with the boys, Tom's wounds weren't tended to- it was Chuck who wiped away his blood.
We're all facing multiple charges and have police reports that exemplify the actions of the officers and make us out to be fool-hardy reactionary morons. There are falsified actions- including statements that Tom fell backwards into the window on his own accord while resisting a lawful arrest, Chuck fell to the ground after being sprayed in the face, and I was yelling my head off and approaching the officers as they were loading Tom into the wagon. Tom faces 10 years for second-degree assault, which stems from his arm jerking out of an officer's hand when he was thrown into the window. There is absolutely no mention of me being sprayed anywhere in the reports and it is not recognized that my body was violated.
Our court date is September 27th, 2004 at 1:00 pm [120 E. Chesapeake Avenue in Towson, MD]. I would like to ask that as many people as possible come to show their support for us and the unlawful abuse we suffered at the hands of power-hungry officers. Please spread the word of the brutality. It happens incredibly often everywhere in the country- especially in small towns with excessively large police forces with nothing to do with their time. I pay my taxes and don't believe that my dollars should pay for the spray that blinded me and my friends.
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my corroborating story
Did urinate against the peace, government, and dignity of the state
(1) Officer Sherfry was moments away from releasing me with no charges and no citation. Only after I was arrested for being a spectator did he reinvoke the original charges, and additional ones including: failure to obey reasonable police order, disorderly conduct, and intent to deceive officer.
(2) Officer Sherfry claimed that the reason we were initially stopped is because he SAW me urinating. My back was turned away from the street, and visibility of my body was vague. The only reason he knew I was urinating in the first place is because they were following us through out the duration of the morning, and saw me zip my pants up. Before I had entirely made my way over towards his police cruiser, he was heard to remark over his radio, "Yeah, I Found THEM".
(3) When I asked the police cheif about information for filling a complaint of police misconduct and a possible counter-prosecution, I was told that, "Yeah, sue us, (smiling arrogantly) then you'll be sorry, because every time you're speeding we'll be there, every time you slip up, we'll be following you". I smirked and responded, "Very wise, sir. I'll add that to our report against you". He laughed and made mention of how my life would become a living hell, and I replied, "The police have always made my life hell regardless".
(4) At the police station for processing, Mr. THomas Kolodziejski begged upon begging for medical attention because he was blinded and choking to death on CO gas and bleeding profusely from his face. He was denied medical aide, and additional told, "Shut the fuck up, you're in a lot of trouble boy!" Odd that the reason he was arrested in the first place was for saying naughty words, no?
(5) Also at the police station, Mr Thomas Kolodiejski was consistently refered to as, "The mohawk guy", despite the fact that they knew his real name. Mind you, I overheard all of this, and it wasn't meant for me to hear. I wonder if they refered to the mexican gentleman next to me as "the spic guy". Obviously we were profiled. I wonder how many doctors and businessmen would have been thrown to the ground and maliciously peppersprayed for saying the word "bullshit"....
This is an insult to public citizens everywhere,
FIGHT BACK
E//A//PEACE
~Chuck, disgusted by injustice.
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Should there be any organized action, please add my email to the list.
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Wow, you really need to grow up yourself.
1) Towson isn't a public urinal, correct. But I have a feeling being pepper sprayed in the face and your head smashed into a window isn't what the books say to do to someone urinating.
2) I have lost my wallet on several occasion as well as my keys. I have had my wallet fall out of my pocket even when it's deep and secure. Point is he could have very well lost his wallet. You are not one to judge whether or not he did. If you have ever lost anything in your life that you 'thought was right here' then you are a hypocrite.
So next time, stop acting like an ignorant redneck and realize that the cops aren't always right. Open your eyes and realize that just because they have the power, doesn’t mean they are the ones who should be enforcing it. Haven't you ever heard of a corrupt businessman or a corrupt officer?
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there was NO lie in that statement.
besides, who's dumb enough to LIE about losing their wallet if they a] don't even have one or b] don't even have an id? i would think the best tactic to use would be the truth. which is the path Chuck chose.
and man.. don't compare to bush unless there's an obvious connection. that was a HUGE reach.
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however, i could be wrong. if you look at this again, explain to me, please, what you mean.
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I recommend a lawsuit against the specific officers who perpetrated this offense.
Give 'em hell!
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Alexys, sadly, facts don't matter that much when dealing with police, unless you have evidence that incontrovertably supports the facts. Cops will change their story and even lie outright if they think they can get away with it.
I'm sorry you guys had to go through this, the best thing you can do now is get some legal advice, both for your own protection and to lessen the chances of these cops pulling this kind of BS again. The Towson cops don't have the best reputation at the moment, if you've been following the Pledge of Resistance's action at Towson Town Center in Dec 2002. Not as much blatant physical violence, but the same kind of control-freak attitude, gung-ho macho BS, and willingness to ignore the laws and Constitution of the US.
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Also in response to Smith...
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The police do shit like that when you yell at them. Live your rock and roll lifestyle, but don't piss and moan when the cops don't understand how truly scene you are.
the guy in the pictures is a pussy. Call me when you're a black man who gets shot for reaching for his wallet, you spoiled burb-rat pussy. You don't even need an ice pack.
You mallpunk fucks make me sick. and referring to you as mowhawk guy is not the same as referring to the "mexican" guy next to you as a spic. Ask someone smart to explain.
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If you have trouble with the concept that some words carry with them patriarchal violence, ask someone smart to explain. If anyone smart is willing to waste theri time explaining that to you... which I doubt.
Response to Ben Baker
sexist terms don't strengthen your argument.
Call me when you're a black man who gets shot for reaching for his wallet
racial-profiling is the same as sub-culture profiling.
you spoiled burb-rat pussy.
shocking news: those kids aren't rich kids growin' up in priviledge.
You don't even need an ice pack.
Tom went to the hospital today. he has a concussion, whiplash, trauma, and other various injuries.
You mallpunk fucks make me sick.
i NEVER buy clothes at the mall. nor do they. AMAZING when people make their own clothes or wear shit given to them in donation. it's a concept that obviously eludes you.
and referring to you as mowhawk guy is not the same as referring to the "mexican" guy next to you as a spic.
again, racial profiling is the same as sub-culture profiling. maybe the member of the culture is able to change his appearance in order to be more 'aesthetically pleasing', but tolerance should be reached through all members of society- not just ones who're defined by a skin color.
thank you for your delightful comments.
next time i would like to request that you veer from ignorant sexist statements and over-generalizations.
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-jon
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Next time, take the $50 fine, THEN walk. It's not resisting an arrest that's yet to take place if you walk away, it's disrespecting an officer and the job he's there to do.
Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit,"
What a shining example of stupidity!
You know what the court's going to call that? Antagonizing. Your little buddy earned that knock to the head. Tom is an idiot. Maybe he learned his lesson, maybe it's going to take jail time. But Tom is a idiot, and in fact, it's looking like he's the entire reason the cops went nuts on you. In fact, I'm going to start my own campaign. The BLAME TOM campaign.
Pepper spray is NOT police brutality. Pepper spray is how they get mouthy people to shut up and cooperate. You were being mouthy.
I'm going to use the word ANTAGONIZING again. Think about that word. Look it up, and apply it to your situation.
in response to Kate
as a matter of fact, Kate, using pepper spray when one is already detained and subdued is FORBIDDEN in police action. therefore, it WAS brutality.
"Law Enforcement officers carry defense sprays as their first means of defense. They use them with the intent to immediately gain control of a perpetrator. After the perpetrator is restrained by hand-cuffs, there is no need for the perpetrator to continue feeling the effects of the spray."
Military issued statement on CO, CS gases.
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as a matter of fact, Kate, using pepper spray when one is already detained and subdued is FORBIDDEN in police action. therefore, it WAS brutality.
"Law Enforcement officers carry defense sprays as their first means of defense. They use them with the intent to immediately gain control of a perpetrator. After the perpetrator is restrained by hand-cuffs, there is no need for the perpetrator to continue feeling the effects of the spray."
Military issued statement on CO, CS gases.
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Second, we hardly EVER hang around towson, in fact this was a first for most of the kids involved.
Also, i don't care if they have my name. When it [if] comes to trial, they're going to get it anyway.
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Antagonizing the Police?
The police told me to forfeit my First Ammendment right under the constitution of the United States, which says I have the right to say what I Want so long as the cuss words weren't directed at anyone... and they were not... they were general statements, not verbal attacks.
If a cop told you to unzip his pants and start sucking his penis, would you do it?
I hope you wouldn't, but I'm betting that you would.
As long as you weren't antagonizing them and maybe if you didn't suck it they would pepper spray you, right?
I'm disgusted that anyone would take the side of a corrupt cop... every person, anarchist or flag waving American patriot, should want the cops that they pay for to be doing their jobs correctly...
in this case, they simply were not, no argument.
As far as the wealthy parents thing... I work full time at a warehouse doing manual labor for 8 dollars an hour, my parents aren't rich and they're not going to give me any money.
If I have to pay a $3,000 dollar fine and more for the window that the cops broke, it will have to come from my own sweat and blood. about 90 days of bust ass work.
And for the Brutality part of it... I really think what was 1000 times worse than them pushing me into the glass and slamming my head face first in the pavement, was the entire can of pepper spray directly in my face and eyes
while I was restrained and unable to shield myself in handcuffs....
Until you have been peppersprayed to the degree I was, you have no business talking about it... because if you did get sprayed like that before, you wouldn't be taking the side of the police.
I don't think that me antagonizing, or cussing merits me being dehumanized and brutalized with very potent CO Pepperspray while in handcuffs.
If you think that I'm a "pussy" then I would like to see you spray yourself in the face with CO pepper spray and then stand there and tell me how tough you are.
Peace out.
Tom.
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F u c k i n g I d i o t s.
Many places you went wrong...but start and read this again:
Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained.
Next time, take the $50 fine, THEN walk. It's not resisting an arrest that's yet to take place if you walk away, it's disrespecting an officer and the job he's there to do.
Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit,"
What a shining example of stupidity!
You know what the court's going to call that? Antagonizing. Your little buddy earned that knock to the head. Tom is an idiot. Maybe he learned his lesson, maybe it's going to take jail time. But Tom is a idiot, and in fact, it's looking like he's the entire reason the cops went nuts on you.
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F u c k i n g I d i o t s.
Many places you went wrong...but start and read this again:
Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained.
Next time, take the $50 fine, THEN walk. It's not resisting an arrest that's yet to take place if you walk away, it's disrespecting an officer and the job he's there to do.
Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit,"
What a shining example of stupidity!
You know what the court's going to call that? Antagonizing. Your little buddy earned that knock to the head. Tom is an idiot. Maybe he learned his lesson, maybe it's going to take jail time. But Tom is a idiot, and in fact, it's looking like he's the entire reason the cops went nuts on you.
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It should also be stated that those posting comments that are pro-police have obviously never been brutalized by police. Therefor they are looking at things the way they have been TAUGHT to look at things, they can't look outside the box or see things in any other light. So their meaningless words should mean nothing and should have no affect on those ivolved.
In conclusion, good luck with the case. I will be at your trial. You have lots of support.
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In Defense of the Towson Punks!
Now. Baltimore smells like urine, Bel Air smells like Urine, and Washington DC smells like urine. So just shut up about it. WE built these big ugly cities and now we have to suffer inside of them, unless we look for ways out.
BUT
The issue here is not urination its Towson (and many other) cops beating up activsts and anarchists because of their political affiliations and beliefs. The Towson scene has a history of police and FBI abuses and surveilance, dating back at least to late 2000/early 2001 when there were multiple FBI visits to organizers homes, police photographers running around at Global Toxin meetings snooping, and people being arrested randomly without due process. This continued into late 2001 and early 2002 when GT started doing anti-war demos and the police upped their photos and video work, as well as their "Joint Terrorism Task Force-Baltimoce County Criminal Intelligence Unit" bullshit.
After 9/11 Baltimore County hired TWENTY new Intelligence Unit detective, up from FOUR. These are the same dirtbags that came to organizers homes in mid 2001 to ask "are you a communist" and trying to get names of other activists and organizers in the Towson area.
Nowadays, Precinct 6 Towson just patrols the "hotzones" where we hang out and locks people up or physically assualts them as they please. We have had like 5 arrests in the last few weeks, most stemming from absolutely NO previousm situation but instead stemming from police stopping people and outright smashing their rights (and sometimes their cameras and faces).
In good news, a Copwatcher who was arrested last summer doing Copwatch on the Towson Pigs got a stet and is free to roam the streets again. The bloodhounds arrested him last summer for photographing them while they were on one of their great Red Scare mission to save the world from radical teens who support alternative forms of community!
So, finally...
Fuck the Towson Precinct, the FBI, and the Joint Terrorism Task Force, as well as all the judges, DAs, and county council/executive wastes who support and defend them. The JTTF is about messing with and disrupting radical groups and communities, not stopping so-called "terrorism".
In solidarity,
Ryan
p.s. Hello Det. Bob Crouch of the JTTF I hope you read this and feel really proud. You too FBI Special Agent Eric S. Morefield, you silly morons.
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www.livejournal.com/users/boka_cheka/94969.html
www.livejournal.com/users/boka_cheka/95281.html
And I understand the concept of violence inherent in words, I just don't agree with it. Additionally, I think it's a cop out to attack my words instead of my thoughts. Don't sass a police officer. Video will be forthcoming.
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were you there?? were you in there position?? did you have to piss and there was no where to go?? NO!"id do the same" so shut the fuck up!! im pround to be an Anarchist, and if you disagree.. YOUR ON THE WRONG FUCKING WEBSITE! FUCK OFF AND DIE!!! "dont fly thos stars and stripes for me!"
THE SITE PEACE GRANPA JEANMARRY
www.casino-granpaboom-world.com
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Wow, what a stupid statement. You know, because people of a certain race VOLUNTEER to look like.
This is what you get for having a stupid haircut, by the way.
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the discrimination debate
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Ben Baker
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however, i responded to your ridiculous retaliation in an email. i don't get why you think you should attack me and who I am- merely because you disagree with what i've said.
ATTENTION EVERYONE! I GO TO GOUCHER COLLEGE!! I GREW UP IN A MIDDLE-CLASS HOME AND NOW THAT MY MOTHER HAS REMARRIED, THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS UPPER CLASS! and guess what?? I PAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY SCHOOLING WITH STUDENT LOANS AND FINANCIAL AID!! i don't get why you, Ben Baker, think you're so posh for trying to demean me.
attacking me for your own personal issues with what i had to say is obscene. and, i must say the way you went about it was INCREDIBLY passive-aggressive.
get a life. obviously you don't have much of one if you went and discovered my livejournal and read through the entries until you got to something interesting enough to try and expose to the public.. as well as going and finding goucher tuition on the site.
jesus.. get a job or something.
even WE work.
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You may work and pay for it yourself, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a fag.
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I am insulted to be protected by police like these. That's not to say all cops are like this, but a good deal of cops now a days are lieing, brutalizing, conceded fuckheads who just enjoy pushing kids, and that is not right.
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why the crap would you have someone pepper-spray you?! jesus hell..
good luck with your personal stuff- sounds like there's a shit load.
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Regarding other brutality incidents and comments...
Now. For those of you who leave comments that are vulgar and are only being left to insult other indivuals that leave comments or those that are directly involved in the incident, you have NO right to do so, unless in fact, you were directly involved, or you know the involved peoples well. You did not see what happened, therefore, you have no way of actually knowing exactly what went on. You only know what you perceive from the written statements of this Alexandra Vasstrom. Sure, you have every right to leave an opinion, but, it should not insult others that need not be insulted, and it has no need to be vulgar.
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the irony: she never got the numbers. she was ignored and blown off.
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Yeah, it seems the police went a little nuts. Who can blame them, they have to deal with people who just won't shut-up and comply. People like you. Cops have a tough job, they don't always get it right. If you would have just listened, acted politly and not been so concerned about your consitutional right to swear in public, none of it would have happened.
Ryan,
Oh, the joy that is Ryan Harvey. Congratulations on, once again, making a mountain out of a mole-hill. The cops did not come after these kids because they had a mohawk, wore patches on their pants or had anarchist beliefs. The cops came after him because he was urinating in a public place. Political beliefs had nothing to do with it. It got out of hand, it happens, life isn't perfect........we move on and correct our mistakes.
To the kids who were involved,
Maybe you should write the police an official letter of apology and count your losses. Yeah, I understand that your rights (or whatever) were abused but sometimes the smart thing to do is not always what we want to do. Making an apology would help you big time in your day in court. Kenny Rogers once said "You got to know when to hold 'em, Know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run".
Hindsight is always twenty-twenty. Generally when we view hindsight we just complain about what happened. What good is that? If you can look at it and try to correct it you could have a chance of making the problem go away (or, at least, make the swelling go down).
Of course, none of that will happen. You're punks, tried and true. Affiliated with Food Not bombs in whatever capacity and your pride is strong. Writing a letter might sting, but the bite of a harsher fine is jail time is gonna be worse.
Next time, shut-up. Take the fine.
Someone mentioned before that fighting the police was what got us womens rights and such and such. If that is the case (which it is) this event proves to us what? Fighting the police allows us to piss in public? This isn't a fight for the freedoms of American Democracy like everyone seems to want to make it out to be. At it's core root the best we could say is it's a fight for public urinals.
BTW-Pizza Boli's has tables. Under Maryland law any place that serves food and has tables and chairs to sit must have a public bathroom. Of course, you'd have to have bought something to use it.
Later.
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Yeah, it seems the police went a little nuts. Who can blame them, they have to deal with people who just won't shut-up and comply. People like you. Cops have a tough job, they don't always get it right. If you would have just listened, acted politly and not been so concerned about your consitutional right to swear in public, none of it would have happened.
Ryan,
Oh, the joy that is Ryan Harvey. Congratulations on, once again, making a mountain out of a mole-hill. The cops did not come after these kids because they had a mohawk, wore patches on their pants or had anarchist beliefs. The cops came after him because he was urinating in a public place. Political beliefs had nothing to do with it. It got out of hand, it happens, life isn't perfect........we move on and correct our mistakes.
To the kids who were involved,
Maybe you should write the police an official letter of apology and count your losses. Yeah, I understand that your rights (or whatever) were abused but sometimes the smart thing to do is not always what we want to do. Making an apology would help you big time in your day in court. Kenny Rogers once said "You got to know when to hold 'em, Know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run".
Hindsight is always twenty-twenty. Generally when we view hindsight we just complain about what happened. What good is that? If you can look at it and try to correct it you could have a chance of making the problem go away (or, at least, make the swelling go down).
Of course, none of that will happen. You're punks, tried and true. Affiliated with Food Not bombs in whatever capacity and your pride is strong. Writing a letter might sting, but the bite of a harsher fine is jail time is gonna be worse.
Next time, shut-up. Take the fine.
Someone mentioned before that fighting the police was what got us womens rights and such and such. If that is the case (which it is) this event proves to us what? Fighting the police allows us to piss in public? This isn't a fight for the freedoms of American Democracy like everyone seems to want to make it out to be. At it's core root the best we could say is it's a fight for public urinals.
BTW-Pizza Boli's has tables. Under Maryland law any place that serves food and has tables and chairs to sit must have a public bathroom. Of course, you'd have to have bought something to use it.
Later.
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2. if you have never been pepper sprayed-shut the fuck up
3. if you think the cops did the right thing-shut the fuck up
if you dont let the pigs know that you arnt going to except these kinds of things than they're only goin to get worse.
the only thing worse
than spoiled children
are corrupt cops
Dear 'Grow up' and Tim,
Go to the Pizza Bolis on Allegheny Avenue. THERE IS NO PUBLIC BATHROOM. You would have to walk through the entire kitchen to get to it if there were. Also, the public urination is really not an issue. Sure, it's illegal, but it in no way merits the treatment that my friends received.
Also, the Pizza Bolis people were quite DISpleased by breathing in pepper spray and having a chair and window destroyed by the cops.
On top of that, fuck you.
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hahahahahahahhaahah shut the fuck up
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"Shut the fuck up"?
Sheesh, so original. My grandma says harsher things when she burns the pot-roast.
Maybe if these kids wouldn't have lied, wouldn't have sworn so much at the officer he would have just given them a ticket and let them be. Instead, these kids were so enthralled with the idea that they had to stick up for their rights that it cost them big time.
Oh, I went to Pizza Boli's and those guys were quite upset at breathing in pepper spray. Of course, it would have never been used had you just closed your trap and took the ticket. Instead you made a mountain out of a molehill.
You punk kids always think the cops are a gestapo. I'll tell you who the gestapo is. It's people who insist they believe in freedom of speech but two minutes later are telling people to "Shut the fuck up".
Practice what you preach.
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I know of plenty of MD restaurants that have seats and no public restroom.
To the idiot who wrote this:
1. if you have never had a cop toss you around for no reason-shut the fuck up
2. if you have never been pepper sprayed-shut the fuck up
3. if you think the cops did the right thing-shut the fuck up
Why? It's illogical to imply that people should not have the right to speak unless they've had those things happen to them. It's even moreso illogical (not to mention, pathetic, lame, and immature) to imply that someone shouldn't be allowed to talk if they have an opposing opinion. What are you, some sort of punk-rock liberal faggot nazi?
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geez guys stop wasteing air free speach makes it so i can tell you to shut the fuck up.hello?
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I know of plenty of MD restaurants that have seats and no public restroom."
Yeah, this may be the case but it's still against Maryland law to not provide a restroom to customers if you have sit down tables and chairs.
I know Boli's doesn't have a restroom, they should but the world is far from perfect.
What's up with the punctuation on this board by certain people? Did anyone learn what a comma is in school? Horrible!
Anyway, I think we all agree. Screw with the police, act like little dipshits and get thrown around. Nothing about your story says to me "Cops beat the shit out of us because they could". Your story only makes you out to be little kids, without much experience, trying too hard to be political martyrs. Next time shut your trap and go home.
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what's NOT okay is that Tom ended up with a CONCUSSION and whiplash because he was cursin' in public. not only that, but he was peppersprayed inches from his face. official regulation dictates that the officer be 15//20 feet away from the perp. not only THAT, but it's never to be administered after the subject is restrained. Tom was IN HANDCUFFS when they peppersprayed him.
Chuck and I, however, experienced the pepper-spray within 'legal' administration procedure.. but it wasn't necessary to use. we didn't do anything.
the issue here is NOT whether or not what Chuck was doing was wrong.. we're all conscious that his action was illegal. what the issue presented is that PEPPERSPRAY was administered against 3 people in their 20s who really weren't doing anything to warrant being sprayed. we were all arrested- and for what? Tom for swearing aloud. Chuck for peeing in an alley and having concern for his brother. Me for requesting names and badge numbers and refusing to give up when i was told to back off. interesting thing: Liz, who DID back off to wait for the names and badge numbers, NEVER OBTAINED THEM. so i wouldn't have gotten them anyway.
we were pepperprayed, tom- who wasn't even peeing- was brutalized, and none of us received decent medical attention. what could have been a situation easily handled by one or, say, 3 cops was handled by enough people to fill 7 crusiers, a canine unit, a paddy wagon, and a plaincar.
it's ludacris. how can you not see it? how???
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If I was a judge I would punish the kids (sorry-"Adults") for lying about the ID and for unrinating in the street. I would punish them for those two things and nothing else. Also, I would privatly reprimand the officers for acting in an overly-harsh manner and then putting it on the public record.
How's the trial going?
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When the law shows itself to be lawless, it loses its raisson d'etre - power over you.
Although, prison doesn't work, the image of the offending officers behind bars, seems somewhat appropriate.
Good luck, if you need it, in the case; and try not to get too stressed.
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1. THE ONE THAT KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT DIDNT GET ARRESTED!
2. BET YOU GOT FOUND GUILTY HUH? DONT SEE THAT IN HERE.