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POLICE BRUTALITY IN TOWSON, MARYLAND

Three kids viciously brutalized for nothing more than a public urination violation.
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At 2 am on May 16th, Tom Kolodziejski, Chuck Kolodziejski, Liz Ellis and I were hanging around on Allegheny Avenue in Towson Maryland. We were standing outside a pizza parlor called Pizza Boli's, talking to a couple kids from Towson University. Chuck stepped aside to go to the bathroom. Upon finding that Pizza Boli's didn't have a publicly-accessible one, he went down the block a bit and turned into an alley. Not two minutes went by when a police cruiser rolled down the street towards us. Suddenly they stopped short, backed up, and aimed their car down the alley at Chuck.

Officer Sherfey of the Towson police force stepped out of his vehicle and asked that Chuck approach him. Sherfey asked for identification, which Chuck was forced to admit he didn't have- he had lost his wallet earlier that day. After a good deal of discussion, Tom- Chuck's twin brother- stepped forward and offered his ID in desperate attempt to remove Chuck from the situation. The police officer didn't believe him and attempted to discern his identity through personal questions. Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained. However, upon inquiry of the definition of 'detained', Sherfey was unable to provide an answer. It was at this time that Sherfey called for backup. Within two minutes, six cruisers were parked on the street. Tom was getting visibly anxious and upset, speaking loudly to Chuck that this wasn't right. The new officers told him to step away from the situation, which he wasn't willing to do. Liz, however, stepped forward and pulled him aside in order to pacify him. They walked back to the front of Pizza Boli's [approximately 100 feet away] and sat down in two chairs in front of the window. This would be an indicator that Tom willfully removed himself from the situation.

At this time I was speaking to an Officer, asking why it was that they had the entire Towson police force out merely for a public urination. He told me that Towson is small- there's really nothing else to do than target drunk kids. Funny, that. We were on a block with plenty of bars, there were a plethora of drunk kids, yet Chuck- who wasn't even drunk- was the one being targeted.

While sitting with Liz, Tom was expressing his disgust of the situation to those who would listen- primarily the people we had been speaking to prior to the event. Three officers approached him in an aggressive manner- taking themselves away from the situation they were apparently there to provide backup for- and told him to stop swearing publicly. Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit," and he was immediately jumped on- his head hitting the window at Pizza Boli's- breaking the glass- and was thrown to the ground, and handcuffed. They then proceeded to pepper spray his face. When he turned his face away, they sprayed him from the other side.

Chuck and I noticed the ruckus and walked briskly forward, yelling "What are you DOING?! NO!" and were met with pepper spray. They primarily sprayed Chuck's neck, my arm, and parts of our faces. I was then grabbed by the front of my shirt and shoved backwards, away from Chuck and the officers. In doing this, they pulled my shirt and bra down, exposing my right breast. They grabbed Chuck and threw him facedown on the ground, handcuffing him. I watched him comply and heard them yell "STOP RESISTING!"

"I'm not resisting!" he cried. His arms were being pulled so far up his back that his body wouldn't allow for further movement- which could explain them saying he resisted.

Upon gaining composure, I ran into Pizza Boli's for water in order to flush out Tom's eyes. When I went outside to give it to him, I was stopped by Corporal T. Jones and was told I was not permitted to approach him.

"But he's hurting!" I said.
"It doesn't work that way," he responded.
"Fine, YOU give it to him," I replied. I gave the bottle to Jones and then turned back to Pizza Boli's.

There were a number of witnesses, so I went around and asked for names and numbers. Four people were willing to give me their information- the two kids we had been speaking to right before the incident, and two kids who had stopped when they saw Chuck peeing and the officer pull up.

By this time there were seven cruisers, a canine unit, a paddy wagon, and a plainclothes cop. There were a lot of police on the scene, and they were all in a large group. I stepped towards them and yelled, in order to ensure that they all heard me, "I would like all of your names and badge numbers!" Jones stepped forward to me again and told me that he would be willing to give me all of the information I requested after the boys had been taken care of. Then he yelled in my face, "NOW GET BACK!" I didn't move, responding, "You have no reason to yell at me." "If you don't get back, I'll place you under arrest." I remained standing where I was and replied, "I have every legal right to ask that I obtain badge numbers." I was then spun around and handcuffed. Jones then pulled me to the side of a bench, which he repeatedly shoved me into. I tried to sit down, thinking this is what he wanted me to do, and he yelled, "STAND THERE!" I said, "What do you want me to do, sir? Sit, or stand?" "STAND THERE!" he responded. "Well you need to stop pushing me so I CAN stand here, sir," I stated. The pushing stopped.

Chuck was loaded into a cruiser and Tom was put in the paddy wagon. When the boys were safely secured, I, too, was placed in the wagon. I sat across from Tom who was blind, bleeding from wounds on his face, and crying- rolling his face against the fencing and moaning in pain.

Upon arriving at the precinct, Tom and I were separated. Upon speaking with the boys, Tom's wounds weren't tended to- it was Chuck who wiped away his blood.

We're all facing multiple charges and have police reports that exemplify the actions of the officers and make us out to be fool-hardy reactionary morons. There are falsified actions- including statements that Tom fell backwards into the window on his own accord while resisting a lawful arrest, Chuck fell to the ground after being sprayed in the face, and I was yelling my head off and approaching the officers as they were loading Tom into the wagon. Tom faces 10 years for second-degree assault, which stems from his arm jerking out of an officer's hand when he was thrown into the window. There is absolutely no mention of me being sprayed anywhere in the reports and it is not recognized that my body was violated.

Our court date is September 27th, 2004 at 1:00 pm [120 E. Chesapeake Avenue in Towson, MD]. I would like to ask that as many people as possible come to show their support for us and the unlawful abuse we suffered at the hands of power-hungry officers. Please spread the word of the brutality. It happens incredibly often everywhere in the country- especially in small towns with excessively large police forces with nothing to do with their time. I pay my taxes and don't believe that my dollars should pay for the spray that blinded me and my friends.
 
 

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my corroborating story

It was approximately 2 am and Tom [Thomas Kolodziejski], Chuck [Charles Kolodziejski], and Alexys [Alexandra Vasstrom] and I [Elizabeth Ellis] were casually talking to some kids around Pizza Boli’s at 23 Allegheny Avenue in Towson, MD. I went to sit on a bench and saw Chuck go around the corner into a parking lot. I saw a squad car drive by and then back up. Then a white male officer [later identified as Officer Sherfey] called Chuck over to his car. I stood up and took my bag from Chuck, who’d been carrying it for me, then was told to back up. I did so and Alexys and Tom came over. The officer said if they didn’t stay as far back as I was that they’d be arrested. They complied. Tom, however, was a bit upset about how the officer was talking to Chuck, as we all were. Officer Sherfey’s attitude was atrocious and his arrogance angered me. Chuck had been unable to find his wallet and when his ID was requested was unable to provide it. Apparently the officer had called for backup and about 5 or 6 more squad cars pulled up and many officers stepped out. I tried to explain to Officer Sherfey that Chuck wasn’t doing anything that bad and that he was overreacting when he said he didn’t ‘need a character witness.’ He kept going on about how he had to identify Chuck for the horrible crime of urinating. Another officer approached me and very sternly told me that Sherfey was within his rights, which I did not dispute, but I said I did think it a waste of Towson police resources for what was probably most of the force to be standing around at the scene of a public urination. I’m sure whether this exchange happened before or after I clapped my hand over Tom’s mouth to get him to shut up. The police had been saying if he didn’t stop cursing [I don’t remember him cursing, but I do remember him telling Chuck that if he wasn’t under arrest he was free to go] he would be placed under arrest. Eventually Tom gave in and walked back to Pizza Boli’s and sat at a table. I think after that the police officer came over and talked to me but I’m not sure. I went to sit down next to Tom at the outdoor table at Pizza Boli’s and he was telling some kids [some of whom seemed to find the situation amusing] how unreasonable the actions of the police were. I got out my notebook and asked the police for the names and badge numbers. I got one name – Tom Jones – and no badge numbers from anyone. Several officers [all white males] followed him over to the table which was a significant distance away from where Chuck was talking to Officer Sherfey. One of them already had his baton out and was slapping it into his hand in a ‘tough guy’ manner. They told Tom if he didn’t stop cursing they’d arrest him. He decided to cooperate and responded ‘Okay, but I think this is bullshit’ or something similar, at which point at least three officers literally pounced on him, though he was seated, smashing either his head or the chair into the window of Pizza Boli’s, causing it to crack, and threw him to the ground. At this point I was crying and yelling at them to stop. I remember after they had him handcuffed I asked them for my cellphone which, surprisingly, they gave to me [Tom had had it]. Then once he’d been handcuffed and they pulled him off the ground, an officer who was later identified as Officer Bissett, decided it would be a good idea to spray Tom full in the face with pepperspray. It was extremely upsetting and uncalled for, as if the assault hadn’t been bad enough. Some drifted over and got into my nose and mouth. Having seen the mistreatment of his brother, Chuck started to come over and find out what was going on. He was promptly thrown to the ground and arrested in much the same manner. I don’t know exactly what happened after this, because I went into Pizza Boli’s and asked them for water for my face. When I got out, I saw Alexys trying to get water to Tom. He’d gotten peppersprayed in open wounds, his eyes, nose, mouth, et cetera. I was so upset at this point that all I can remember clearly is Alexys being taken away in handcuffs. I believe that’s all the first-hand information I have about the events which is relevant.
 

Did urinate against the peace, government, and dignity of the state

Relevant points that might have been missed:

(1) Officer Sherfry was moments away from releasing me with no charges and no citation. Only after I was arrested for being a spectator did he reinvoke the original charges, and additional ones including: failure to obey reasonable police order, disorderly conduct, and intent to deceive officer.

(2) Officer Sherfry claimed that the reason we were initially stopped is because he SAW me urinating. My back was turned away from the street, and visibility of my body was vague. The only reason he knew I was urinating in the first place is because they were following us through out the duration of the morning, and saw me zip my pants up. Before I had entirely made my way over towards his police cruiser, he was heard to remark over his radio, "Yeah, I Found THEM".

(3) When I asked the police cheif about information for filling a complaint of police misconduct and a possible counter-prosecution, I was told that, "Yeah, sue us, (smiling arrogantly) then you'll be sorry, because every time you're speeding we'll be there, every time you slip up, we'll be following you". I smirked and responded, "Very wise, sir. I'll add that to our report against you". He laughed and made mention of how my life would become a living hell, and I replied, "The police have always made my life hell regardless".

(4) At the police station for processing, Mr. THomas Kolodziejski begged upon begging for medical attention because he was blinded and choking to death on CO gas and bleeding profusely from his face. He was denied medical aide, and additional told, "Shut the fuck up, you're in a lot of trouble boy!" Odd that the reason he was arrested in the first place was for saying naughty words, no?

(5) Also at the police station, Mr Thomas Kolodiejski was consistently refered to as, "The mohawk guy", despite the fact that they knew his real name. Mind you, I overheard all of this, and it wasn't meant for me to hear. I wonder if they refered to the mexican gentleman next to me as "the spic guy". Obviously we were profiled. I wonder how many doctors and businessmen would have been thrown to the ground and maliciously peppersprayed for saying the word "bullshit"....

This is an insult to public citizens everywhere,

FIGHT BACK
E//A//PEACE
~Chuck, disgusted by injustice.
 

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i find this an absolute outrage...i've seen police mistreat innocent kids before, but not like this. if anything, know this...police in Towson will have this follow them.
 

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It's actually been common procedure for the police to 'detain' 'phreak' kids for over 7 years. I think not nearly enough people have filed legal complaints against the police, myself included. This will be rectified soon.
Should there be any organized action, please add my email to the list.
 

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Wow, you really need to grow up yourself.

1) Towson isn't a public urinal, correct. But I have a feeling being pepper sprayed in the face and your head smashed into a window isn't what the books say to do to someone urinating.

2) I have lost my wallet on several occasion as well as my keys. I have had my wallet fall out of my pocket even when it's deep and secure. Point is he could have very well lost his wallet. You are not one to judge whether or not he did. If you have ever lost anything in your life that you 'thought was right here' then you are a hypocrite.

So next time, stop acting like an ignorant redneck and realize that the cops aren't always right. Open your eyes and realize that just because they have the power, doesn’t mean they are the ones who should be enforcing it. Haven't you ever heard of a corrupt businessman or a corrupt officer?
 

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geez! sounds like stereotyping if I ever heard it! if it had been Johnny Quarterback peeing in the alley, the damn cops would have said, "Nice game Saturday, Johnny!" What a bunch of bastards. It happens everywhere (nonviolent people being whooped up on by idiot redneck cops). I'm sure you've all seen the footage of Donald Pete being beaten by police here in Oklahoma.
 

in response to Smith

i'd like to point out that in the article i stated that he did, indeed, lose his wallet earlier in the day. and, when we all found out, we all gave him shit for it. "AGAIN, chuck?" "heh.. yeah. i know.."

there was NO lie in that statement.

besides, who's dumb enough to LIE about losing their wallet if they a] don't even have one or b] don't even have an id? i would think the best tactic to use would be the truth. which is the path Chuck chose.

and man.. don't compare to bush unless there's an obvious connection. that was a HUGE reach.
 

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It mightnot be good for legal reasons to post lots of details up in indymedia. The police can use this to change their story so they can lie easier in court about beating people. You may consider taking it down and maybe taking out names and such details like times and exact spots and jsut leave the basic story as it is. Otherwise the police may use it to their advantage!
 

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I don't think they can change their story. All three kids have copies of it on their papers. If they change their story, they're going to look bad.
 

response to ryan

i';m curious how what's been said can allow for cops to change their story? i mean.. these are facts. what can they do based on our words? say things solely to contradict what actually happened? the police reports already do that. they lie about a lot as it is.. i don't think they could do much more.

however, i could be wrong. if you look at this again, explain to me, please, what you mean.
 

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This is an utter outrage. Granted, I live in VA, but it seems like things of this nature happen way too much. As a member of the DC gothic subculture, I would be up in arms if this ever happened to one of MY friends.
I recommend a lawsuit against the specific officers who perpetrated this offense.
Give 'em hell!
 

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This is truly you should totally sue the police department maybe even see if you can press charges. By the way there is a small mistake in here. You refer to the police that assaulted you as being members of the "Towson Police Force". Towson does not have a police force. Towson is patrolled by the Baltimore County Police Department. Perhaps you should correct this, it will just make your story look more credible.
 

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This is truly you should totally sue the police department maybe even see if you can press charges. By the way there is a small mistake in here. You refer to the police that assaulted you as being members of the "Towson Police Force". Towson does not have a police force. Towson is patrolled by the Baltimore County Police Department. Perhaps you should correct this, it will just make your story look more credible.
 

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You guys should really contact the ACLU...there's probably not a very good chance of them taking the case, but they may be able to give you some advice. Also the National Lawyer's Guild, which is very active in investigating instances of police brutality. Regardless of whether a crime (public urination, which probaly comes under "public indecency" or "disorderly conduct") was committed, this kind of sterotyping/profiling and overreaction by the police is unacceptable.

Alexys, sadly, facts don't matter that much when dealing with police, unless you have evidence that incontrovertably supports the facts. Cops will change their story and even lie outright if they think they can get away with it.

I'm sorry you guys had to go through this, the best thing you can do now is get some legal advice, both for your own protection and to lessen the chances of these cops pulling this kind of BS again. The Towson cops don't have the best reputation at the moment, if you've been following the Pledge of Resistance's action at Towson Town Center in Dec 2002. Not as much blatant physical violence, but the same kind of control-freak attitude, gung-ho macho BS, and willingness to ignore the laws and Constitution of the US.
 

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pizza boli's should sue the police
 

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I really hope you win the case.. I hate police just for that reason. I would come if I could, but I live in Illinois and I'm only 16. Good luck. <3
 

Also in response to Smith...

I have spent a great deal of time in towson and confirm that it IS in fact, a public urinal.
 

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This is quite unfortunate. Best of luck with your court cases.
 

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You guys are idiots and assholes.

The police do shit like that when you yell at them. Live your rock and roll lifestyle, but don't piss and moan when the cops don't understand how truly scene you are.

the guy in the pictures is a pussy. Call me when you're a black man who gets shot for reaching for his wallet, you spoiled burb-rat pussy. You don't even need an ice pack.

You mallpunk fucks make me sick. and referring to you as mowhawk guy is not the same as referring to the "mexican" guy next to you as a spic. Ask someone smart to explain.
 

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Intellectually you may have some concern for larger issues like government sponsored brutality, but emotionally it’s all about you isn’t it? I suppose it’s useless to point out that in actual fact “Johnny Quarterback” was not the one urinating in the streets of Towson, and in fact Chuck was. It shows a thoughtless disregard for everyone else. You do what you please when and where you please. I recall a year or so back strolling by the York Road entrance to the Towson Library when I was confronted by the potent aroma of urine wafting from the steps of the library. It’s so wrong of me to jump to the conclusion that the slovenly crowd of adolescents congregating there were responsible. As for the comparison to Bush well: its all about him, he’s thoughtless, he’s gotten bailed out of every jam by his family, and he’ll tell any lie that’s convenient at the moment (like “I lost my wallet heh, heh,” or truly in his case “I never saw the pictures.”) Anyway who bailed you out of the hoosegow? Who’s gonna pay your legal fees and fine? I hope it’s not the public defender, since it’ll be my tax dollars. I’d prefer they go to keeping Towson from smelling like a barn. In the final analysis this is a pretty pathetic cause. Chuck isn’t Biko. Next time you ought to bite your tongue instead of confronting the law about something as stupid as this. Practice the mantra, “Yes officer, yes officer, I’m sorry…” You ought to channel this contempt for authority into some more useful and compelling fight against injustice.
 

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Worthless fuckfaces like you make me sick, and that's before you start throwing around gendered, sexist terms do show off what a piece of shit patriarch you are.

If you have trouble with the concept that some words carry with them patriarchal violence, ask someone smart to explain. If anyone smart is willing to waste theri time explaining that to you... which I doubt.
 

Response to Ben Baker

the guy in the pictures is a pussy.

sexist terms don't strengthen your argument.

Call me when you're a black man who gets shot for reaching for his wallet

racial-profiling is the same as sub-culture profiling.

you spoiled burb-rat pussy.

shocking news: those kids aren't rich kids growin' up in priviledge.

You don't even need an ice pack.

Tom went to the hospital today. he has a concussion, whiplash, trauma, and other various injuries.

You mallpunk fucks make me sick.

i NEVER buy clothes at the mall. nor do they. AMAZING when people make their own clothes or wear shit given to them in donation. it's a concept that obviously eludes you.

and referring to you as mowhawk guy is not the same as referring to the "mexican" guy next to you as a spic.

again, racial profiling is the same as sub-culture profiling. maybe the member of the culture is able to change his appearance in order to be more 'aesthetically pleasing', but tolerance should be reached through all members of society- not just ones who're defined by a skin color.

thank you for your delightful comments.
next time i would like to request that you veer from ignorant sexist statements and over-generalizations.
 

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this is fucked up? so you guys are doing time for being brutally attaked by the police?? i would defiantly show up and support you if i dident live so far away, my hopes are with you and your friends, good luck "FUCK POLICE BRUTALITY!"
 

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My heart goes out to all involved. Some of you are as close as family, and you can be sure i will be at court with you in sept.

-jon
 

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Why didn't you just beat the shit out of the little jack booted thug? Their all pussies in Baltimore County. Non eof them can fight unless they have a couple buddies to help them. I once beat the shit out of four of them from White Marsh and walked out of court laughing my ass off at them. Told them what they were trying to do is illegal..... I taught the fucker a little lesson.
 

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Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained.

Next time, take the $50 fine, THEN walk. It's not resisting an arrest that's yet to take place if you walk away, it's disrespecting an officer and the job he's there to do.

Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit,"

What a shining example of stupidity!

You know what the court's going to call that? Antagonizing. Your little buddy earned that knock to the head. Tom is an idiot. Maybe he learned his lesson, maybe it's going to take jail time. But Tom is a idiot, and in fact, it's looking like he's the entire reason the cops went nuts on you. In fact, I'm going to start my own campaign. The BLAME TOM campaign.

Pepper spray is NOT police brutality. Pepper spray is how they get mouthy people to shut up and cooperate. You were being mouthy.

I'm going to use the word ANTAGONIZING again. Think about that word. Look it up, and apply it to your situation.
 

in response to Kate

Pepper spray is NOT police brutality. Pepper spray is how they get mouthy people to shut up and cooperate. You were being mouthy.

as a matter of fact, Kate, using pepper spray when one is already detained and subdued is FORBIDDEN in police action. therefore, it WAS brutality.

"Law Enforcement officers carry defense sprays as their first means of defense. They use them with the intent to immediately gain control of a perpetrator. After the perpetrator is restrained by hand-cuffs, there is no need for the perpetrator to continue feeling the effects of the spray."

Military issued statement on CO, CS gases.
 

in response to Kate

Pepper spray is NOT police brutality. Pepper spray is how they get mouthy people to shut up and cooperate. You were being mouthy.

as a matter of fact, Kate, using pepper spray when one is already detained and subdued is FORBIDDEN in police action. therefore, it WAS brutality.

"Law Enforcement officers carry defense sprays as their first means of defense. They use them with the intent to immediately gain control of a perpetrator. After the perpetrator is restrained by hand-cuffs, there is no need for the perpetrator to continue feeling the effects of the spray."

Military issued statement on CO, CS gases.
 

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all you kids are ridiculous. first off, pissing in plain view in an alley is your own fault. secondly, lets talk about how every stupid kid in towson, walked into the police station and pretty much signed up to get harrassed when they went in to file complaints, good call, lets give the enemy our names and such. thirldy, lets talk about how this article does nothing other than 'fan the flames of discontent' if i can use that phrase. ooo look, another kid that spends his days hanging out on the streets of towson got beat up and is facing charges because he was so punk he had to piss in an alley and then try to act like johnny lawyer when it came to his arrest. quite frankly, i think more of you kids should spend some time hanging out in the library, and reading up on laws, instead of merely quoting what your train riding buddy tells you is the law. so in conclusion, i dont think anyone should bother getting involved, im sure at least one of your affluent parents will throw some cash down and get this all taken care of.
 

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actually, joe, there were no public bathrooms available. I don't think anyone has a right to complain until there are.

Second, we hardly EVER hang around towson, in fact this was a first for most of the kids involved.

Also, i don't care if they have my name. When it [if] comes to trial, they're going to get it anyway.
 

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oh, and also.. your presumptions about people's 'affluent parents' are ridiculous. We're talking about working class kids here, from deanertown who do manual labor. Fuck. You.
 

Antagonizing the Police?

Telling an officer of the Law that you will not comply to his arbitrary demands is the same kind of attitude that sparked every revolution that allows you to enjoy things such as : Being able to work as a woman, ending non-wage slavery in America, 8 hour work days and weekends off (fought for by the working class), ending occupation, revising laws, and ending fascism, plus a whole fuck load more.

The police told me to forfeit my First Ammendment right under the constitution of the United States, which says I have the right to say what I Want so long as the cuss words weren't directed at anyone... and they were not... they were general statements, not verbal attacks.

If a cop told you to unzip his pants and start sucking his penis, would you do it?
I hope you wouldn't, but I'm betting that you would.
As long as you weren't antagonizing them and maybe if you didn't suck it they would pepper spray you, right?

I'm disgusted that anyone would take the side of a corrupt cop... every person, anarchist or flag waving American patriot, should want the cops that they pay for to be doing their jobs correctly...
in this case, they simply were not, no argument.

As far as the wealthy parents thing... I work full time at a warehouse doing manual labor for 8 dollars an hour, my parents aren't rich and they're not going to give me any money.

If I have to pay a $3,000 dollar fine and more for the window that the cops broke, it will have to come from my own sweat and blood. about 90 days of bust ass work.

And for the Brutality part of it... I really think what was 1000 times worse than them pushing me into the glass and slamming my head face first in the pavement, was the entire can of pepper spray directly in my face and eyes
while I was restrained and unable to shield myself in handcuffs....

Until you have been peppersprayed to the degree I was, you have no business talking about it... because if you did get sprayed like that before, you wouldn't be taking the side of the police.

I don't think that me antagonizing, or cussing merits me being dehumanized and brutalized with very potent CO Pepperspray while in handcuffs.


If you think that I'm a "pussy" then I would like to see you spray yourself in the face with CO pepper spray and then stand there and tell me how tough you are.


Peace out.

Tom.
 

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You guys are fucking idiots. Again slow so your spoiled brains understand it.

F u c k i n g I d i o t s.

Many places you went wrong...but start and read this again:
Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained.

Next time, take the $50 fine, THEN walk. It's not resisting an arrest that's yet to take place if you walk away, it's disrespecting an officer and the job he's there to do.

Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit,"

What a shining example of stupidity!

You know what the court's going to call that? Antagonizing. Your little buddy earned that knock to the head. Tom is an idiot. Maybe he learned his lesson, maybe it's going to take jail time. But Tom is a idiot, and in fact, it's looking like he's the entire reason the cops went nuts on you.
 

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You guys are fucking idiots. Again slow so your spoiled brains understand it.

F u c k i n g I d i o t s.

Many places you went wrong...but start and read this again:
Sherfey was on the verge of giving Chuck a 50 dollar fine, when Tom reminded Chuck that if he wasn't arrested, he could walk away. When Chuck started to walk, Sherfey physically restrained him, telling him he was being detained.

Next time, take the $50 fine, THEN walk. It's not resisting an arrest that's yet to take place if you walk away, it's disrespecting an officer and the job he's there to do.

Tom responded that it's not illegal to cuss in public. They told him that if he cursed one more time, they would place him under arrest. Tom said, "This is bullshit,"

What a shining example of stupidity!

You know what the court's going to call that? Antagonizing. Your little buddy earned that knock to the head. Tom is an idiot. Maybe he learned his lesson, maybe it's going to take jail time. But Tom is a idiot, and in fact, it's looking like he's the entire reason the cops went nuts on you.
 

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Go to www.gov.state.md.us/govstaff.html and send an e-mail to the governor and lt. governor that says we need some serious reform to our law enforcement that ensures the laws cannot be twisted so as to violate rights of citizens. Also tell them to drop the charges in lieu of the abuses that occured.
 

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I think in this case (just because people sterio-type others on where they are from) it should be stated and restated that Tom and Chuck ARE NOT TOWSON KIDS.
It should also be stated that those posting comments that are pro-police have obviously never been brutalized by police. Therefor they are looking at things the way they have been TAUGHT to look at things, they can't look outside the box or see things in any other light. So their meaningless words should mean nothing and should have no affect on those ivolved.
In conclusion, good luck with the case. I will be at your trial. You have lots of support.
 

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I'm from a diffrent area of Maryland. But I support you all the way, my heart goes out to those who were hurt.
 

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I dont think you should CHANGE your story, just take out details that dont really need to be public. The cops do this alot, they come on indymedia, read stuff like this, and then in court they can all have their stories aligned with yours to make their lies work better. Otherwise, without details, they may have times wrong, lie about stuff you may be able to prove otherwise, etc. Thats all.
 

In Defense of the Towson Punks!

I have been around Towson for a while now and I find that its absurd to justify police brutality by expressing your desires for a town that doesnt smell like urine. I desire a town that doesnt have corporations, the smell of perfume and cologne, and prejudice and hateful cops running around beating up people.

Now. Baltimore smells like urine, Bel Air smells like Urine, and Washington DC smells like urine. So just shut up about it. WE built these big ugly cities and now we have to suffer inside of them, unless we look for ways out.

BUT

The issue here is not urination its Towson (and many other) cops beating up activsts and anarchists because of their political affiliations and beliefs. The Towson scene has a history of police and FBI abuses and surveilance, dating back at least to late 2000/early 2001 when there were multiple FBI visits to organizers homes, police photographers running around at Global Toxin meetings snooping, and people being arrested randomly without due process. This continued into late 2001 and early 2002 when GT started doing anti-war demos and the police upped their photos and video work, as well as their "Joint Terrorism Task Force-Baltimoce County Criminal Intelligence Unit" bullshit.

After 9/11 Baltimore County hired TWENTY new Intelligence Unit detective, up from FOUR. These are the same dirtbags that came to organizers homes in mid 2001 to ask "are you a communist" and trying to get names of other activists and organizers in the Towson area.

Nowadays, Precinct 6 Towson just patrols the "hotzones" where we hang out and locks people up or physically assualts them as they please. We have had like 5 arrests in the last few weeks, most stemming from absolutely NO previousm situation but instead stemming from police stopping people and outright smashing their rights (and sometimes their cameras and faces).

In good news, a Copwatcher who was arrested last summer doing Copwatch on the Towson Pigs got a stet and is free to roam the streets again. The bloodhounds arrested him last summer for photographing them while they were on one of their great Red Scare mission to save the world from radical teens who support alternative forms of community!

So, finally...
Fuck the Towson Precinct, the FBI, and the Joint Terrorism Task Force, as well as all the judges, DAs, and county council/executive wastes who support and defend them. The JTTF is about messing with and disrupting radical groups and communities, not stopping so-called "terrorism".

In solidarity,
Ryan

p.s. Hello Det. Bob Crouch of the JTTF I hope you read this and feel really proud. You too FBI Special Agent Eric S. Morefield, you silly morons.
 

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And I understand the concept of violence inherent in words, I just don't agree with it. Additionally, I think it's a cop out to attack my words instead of my thoughts. Don't sass a police officer. Video will be forthcoming.
 

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hey, its plain and simple, if your here to talk shit, fuck off, there looking for support, not brainwashed fucks, "i pledge allegiance to the american flag", bla bla fucking bla, fuck your flag! when you plege to the flag alls your doing is being a little bitch for the government, i wouldent plege my life to fucking shit! stop talking shit.. fuck off... and fuck the police, and fuck you!
were you there?? were you in there position?? did you have to piss and there was no where to go?? NO!"id do the same" so shut the fuck up!! im pround to be an Anarchist, and if you disagree.. YOUR ON THE WRONG FUCKING WEBSITE! FUCK OFF AND DIE!!! "dont fly thos stars and stripes for me!"
 

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racial-profiling is the same as sub-culture profiling.

Wow, what a stupid statement. You know, because people of a certain race VOLUNTEER to look like.

This is what you get for having a stupid haircut, by the way.
 

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Civil rights apply to everyone, and doesn't exclude those who are considered strange or different. If white punk kids no longer have civil rights, then why should any minority group have those rights? And if you don't like the concept of civil rights, go jump in a lake, and make sure you drown.
 

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Guy2, your whole post is retarded. Obviously you miss the point of the discussion. Discriminating against someone because they dress like an asshole and have a retarded haircut is nothing like discriminating against someone for having dark skin. The white punk kid is being discriminated against because he/she's a punk, not because he/she's white. He/she makes the choice to be a punk, but can't choose to be white or not. Black people can't choose to be black. It's ridiculous to discriminate against people for things they cannot change, but less ridiculous to discriminate against people for their silly clothing choices. Granted, discrimination in all forms is wrong (I never said it was right), but it's less so when it's somebody's own, personal choice.
 

the discrimination debate

Religion is a choice, unlike the notion of race. Would you consider it less ridiculous to discriminate against someone on the basis of their religion? I do agree that there are different kinds of discrimination, and some types are more egregious than others, but civil rights violations should never be dismissed so easily. No one deserves to have their rights violated.
 

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I wouldn't consider it "less ridiculous" as much as I'd consider someone complaining to be "more ridiculous," because they could avoid the problem by changing themself.
 

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Mike Dubois, you are dumb.
 

Ben Baker

check your email, asshole. i've responded.
 

RE: to what i just wrote

i take back my demeaning and rude comments. that was an irrational way to react.

however, i responded to your ridiculous retaliation in an email. i don't get why you think you should attack me and who I am- merely because you disagree with what i've said.

ATTENTION EVERYONE! I GO TO GOUCHER COLLEGE!! I GREW UP IN A MIDDLE-CLASS HOME AND NOW THAT MY MOTHER HAS REMARRIED, THEY'RE CLASSIFIED AS UPPER CLASS! and guess what?? I PAY FOR THE MAJORITY OF MY SCHOOLING WITH STUDENT LOANS AND FINANCIAL AID!! i don't get why you, Ben Baker, think you're so posh for trying to demean me.

attacking me for your own personal issues with what i had to say is obscene. and, i must say the way you went about it was INCREDIBLY passive-aggressive.

get a life. obviously you don't have much of one if you went and discovered my livejournal and read through the entries until you got to something interesting enough to try and expose to the public.. as well as going and finding goucher tuition on the site.

jesus.. get a job or something.
even WE work.
 

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You go to Goucher College.

You may work and pay for it yourself, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a fag.
 

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Ok, so yes, maybe those people weren't taking the smartest route possible. Mouthing off to the cops, walking away in exchange of a fifty dollar fine. However, still what they were doing was not worthy of that shit. Pepper spray, broken glass, beating, arrestings, for peeing on a building and swearing? Utterly ridiculous, and a clear example of police brutality. The fact that Tom now faces jailtime for assault, when he was clearly the one being assaulted is even more ridiculous and insulting.

I am insulted to be protected by police like these. That's not to say all cops are like this, but a good deal of cops now a days are lieing, brutalizing, conceded fuckheads who just enjoy pushing kids, and that is not right.
 

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hey guys, sorry. Got a friend to pepper spray me to see the loss of control, and I think I understand a little better. I can't make up for being a troll-y ass, but I'm sorry. You don't want to hear my sob story, but I realized (and I spoke to this briefly with one of you) that it's not about you, it's about me being a retard. all apologies, and I hope everything turns out all right. Whereas I will disagree with how you went about the confrontation with the police, I understand what you mean about the brutilization. Good luck in your fight against corruption, and here's to attempting to wrest power from those who would use it to make themselves more powerful.
 

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i will admit, this is horrible, ruthless, etc. but, no offence to chuck, this was ONE incident. im furtherly suprising that this wasnt an african american...no that isnt sarcasm. a white guy getting beat up by cops is really strange. i call this police brutality. i call this get those assholes in jail.
 

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Ben Baker.. your apology is very well accepted- by myself, anyway.

why the crap would you have someone pepper-spray you?! jesus hell..

good luck with your personal stuff- sounds like there's a shit load.
 

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I wanted to let you know your not the only one going through this unfair brutality. I live in sacramento california and me and my friends expierienced a similar expierience. Im sending this to everyone I know. Thanks for taking the time to make this
 

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I think that is totally digusting! Its sad how much these cops get away with! Im unfortunately not from your area but i SO wish i could be so i could show support to you three. Im sorry these things happen to good people just because the way they look...which is what it must have been. Its a shame nothing will every happen to them. I love how they act so arrogant about things but one day they will get what they deserve. Good luck and I DO HOPE some action is taken against these cops.
 

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I think that is totally digusting! Its sad how much these cops get away with! Im unfortunately not from your area but i SO wish i could be so i could show support to you three. Im sorry these things happen to good people just because the way they look...which is what it must have been. Its a shame nothing will every happen to them. I love how they act so arrogant about things but one day they will get what they deserve. Good luck and I DO HOPE some action is taken against these cops.
 

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First of all i would like to say to all of you who are involved, my heart truly goes out to u, i have never been directly involved in this situation, but i have seen it happen, and been extremly close ot a friend who died due to these extreme and very unneccesary brutalities committed by corrupt police, i would love to show supposrt to u by being there for ur court trial but i live in nc so i prolly wont be but good luck!!!! Secondly, to all of u out there who are sterotyping and blaming these people, jus because they were commiting a misdeamenor or w/e it iwas, does not make it right in any way shape or form for these things to have happened to them so yall need to stfu!!! You do not know what its like til u go trhough, see it happen, or experience loss due to things like this, and they happen all the time in every part of the world. If you would open ur eyes to see what really goes on, u wouldnt be so ignorant to situations like this and maybe be a little bit more suppoortive to the brave thing that these people are doing by sticking up for themselves.... Anyways, I jus wanted to say that and plz, if u win, or even if u have legal aid and oppurtunity to, plz plz plz retaliate with a lawsuit against the police... You can win easily if u have all ur stories straight and any solid proof, my friends parents did and won a very large amount of money for what they went through... Anyways, to those involved personally wiht this case, plz e-mail me about what happens and keep me updated, i would like to know very much... jus put in the subject line that it was about the brutal police case in baltimore or sumthin like that so i'll know it not junk, etc etc..lol my heart and prayers go out to all of u for what u went through and i hope things will work out for all of you... DONT GIVE UP!!!!!
 

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I would just like to say that I am disgusted with the way that the teenagers were treated, and I hope that they get justice served to them for the wrongs that were done them. A cop has no right to willfully injure a civilian without proper provacation, and they were given none. The actions that took place were entirely uncalled for, and should be punished accordingly, but knowing the stature of law enforcement nowadays, with the threat of violence hanging over our heads like a leaden cloud, I doubt this will happen. My prayers and my condolences to those involved, and I sincerely apologize for not being able to accompany the victims in their time of great need. Let God help them seek justice.
 

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I think this is really stupid. I may be only 15 but I watch alot of police shows and thats not the right way they should be treated. I'd like to grow up becoming a police officer, but I would never do anything like that, even if one of my fellow officers would be doing that, I would ammediatley report him in knowing that wasn't the right thing to do.
 

Regarding other brutality incidents and comments...

Eye do not know anyone that was involved with this certain incident. But, eye would like to state, that eye have witnessed police brutality first hand. And something of the same sort happened (in regard to the time were the individual was brutalized). Fortunately though, my friends and myself did not do anything that may have provoke the police. And also fortunately, the friend that was subject to police brutality did not get into too much trouble because there were around 10 or so witnesses that stated that the officer's allegations were in fact untrue. And, eye, many times, have been steriotyped and singled out by police because of my choice of clothing styles, un-natural haircolor and that eye also, in fact have the same hairstyle as the undividual brutalized in the incident that has spawned all of these comments from various people. That is all eye have to say about that.

Now. For those of you who leave comments that are vulgar and are only being left to insult other indivuals that leave comments or those that are directly involved in the incident, you have NO right to do so, unless in fact, you were directly involved, or you know the involved peoples well. You did not see what happened, therefore, you have no way of actually knowing exactly what went on. You only know what you perceive from the written statements of this Alexandra Vasstrom. Sure, you have every right to leave an opinion, but, it should not insult others that need not be insulted, and it has no need to be vulgar.
 

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Before i begin i want to state that this note is not to bash those who have been involved but more a eye opener for those who choose to live a box. The kids that were involved, you all state that you have an open mind about issues within our nation, state and gov`t, but do you really? these men in blue that walk the streets every day are there for a reason, one that many people do not understand. they do a job that most could never imagine waking up every day and doing. whether you believe it or not police want to help people and they try every day to acomplish that. most of the time it is catching people doing things they know they shouldn`t be doing in the first place. they need to enforce the law, and the funny thing is, every one that is pulling for these kids knows nothing about laws. if you did, you would know that refusing to sign a sitation results in a arrest, and cursing loudly in a public place can also result in a arrest. has anyone ever been to VA Beach, happens all the time. for all of you that don`t like the laws, or don`t think they are fair, or maybe even "stupid", register to vote and use that right. these men wake up every day wondering what might happen when they go to work, or if they will even come home. they took an oath to up hold the laws, and learned ways to take action when they are broken. i am not sorry the twins were hurt, if you would have taken the citation you would have never recieved your "trauma". i would like for you all to think about this, one day when you all decide to grow up and leave mom and dad or maybe some of you already have, what will you do if you, your property, or your kids get shot, beat up or worse, god forbid, what will you do then???? will you call 911 and pray the police show up quickly, will you file a police report accounting the violence that took place against you? will you want justice served for those who did you or your family wrong? apparently you think that has already happened to you, but sad to say you brought that on yourself. the police don`t look to single someone out to harrass, most of the time kids bring it upon themselves and trust me it doesn`t matter what color you are or what you look like. if you are doing something stupid or illegal you are bound to get caught, and that seems to be what happened to Tom and Chuck. as for lizzie, if you would have used something called patience and sat down until the officers were done with their first priority which was the urination, you would have recieved your precious badge numbers instead of getting arrested. take into consideration the fact that not one of you could ever walk a day in their shoes.i know you wouldn`t want to and i am sure you couldn`t handle the shit, ridecule and harrassment they recieve every day from people like you. god help you if something bad ever happens. because god is probably the only one that will be there for you.
 

response to faith

it was i, not liz, who wouldn't sit down. liz, in fact, DID sit down when he told her to and waited for those precious numbers.

the irony: she never got the numbers. she was ignored and blown off.
 

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Rule#1 -A urinating in public is illegal. I do not want your drunkin friend pissing in my alleys. Rule#2 - Being drunk in public is illegal. Rule #3 - Having no ID is your friends problem. Rule #4 - Once your friend is under arrest, walk away. Tragic as it may seem, your meddling got you maced. Rule #5 - Grow up, get a job, make a living and become a responsible citizen. Responsible people do not hang out, buzzed and pissing in alleys. Remember, you put your story out there for responsible people to read. In doing that you must remember, some of us may be sitting on the jury that will convict you. If stupidity was a crime, you and your friends would be getting the electric chair.
 

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As a Towson buisnessman, shopkeeper and frequenter of Pizza Boli's (I'm about to head there now. $3.99 for a small no topping. Great deal!) I'm quite pleased with the police in this matter. It's about time Towson police step up the public pissing, public puking problem that plague our little street. I hate coming to work on a Saturday morning and finding piss or puke on my front step.

Yeah, it seems the police went a little nuts. Who can blame them, they have to deal with people who just won't shut-up and comply. People like you. Cops have a tough job, they don't always get it right. If you would have just listened, acted politly and not been so concerned about your consitutional right to swear in public, none of it would have happened.

Ryan,

Oh, the joy that is Ryan Harvey. Congratulations on, once again, making a mountain out of a mole-hill. The cops did not come after these kids because they had a mohawk, wore patches on their pants or had anarchist beliefs. The cops came after him because he was urinating in a public place. Political beliefs had nothing to do with it. It got out of hand, it happens, life isn't perfect........we move on and correct our mistakes.

To the kids who were involved,

Maybe you should write the police an official letter of apology and count your losses. Yeah, I understand that your rights (or whatever) were abused but sometimes the smart thing to do is not always what we want to do. Making an apology would help you big time in your day in court. Kenny Rogers once said "You got to know when to hold 'em, Know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run".

Hindsight is always twenty-twenty. Generally when we view hindsight we just complain about what happened. What good is that? If you can look at it and try to correct it you could have a chance of making the problem go away (or, at least, make the swelling go down).

Of course, none of that will happen. You're punks, tried and true. Affiliated with Food Not bombs in whatever capacity and your pride is strong. Writing a letter might sting, but the bite of a harsher fine is jail time is gonna be worse.

Next time, shut-up. Take the fine.

Someone mentioned before that fighting the police was what got us womens rights and such and such. If that is the case (which it is) this event proves to us what? Fighting the police allows us to piss in public? This isn't a fight for the freedoms of American Democracy like everyone seems to want to make it out to be. At it's core root the best we could say is it's a fight for public urinals.

BTW-Pizza Boli's has tables. Under Maryland law any place that serves food and has tables and chairs to sit must have a public bathroom. Of course, you'd have to have bought something to use it.

Later.
 

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As a Towson buisnessman, shopkeeper and frequenter of Pizza Boli's (I'm about to head there now. $3.99 for a small no topping. Great deal!) I'm quite pleased with the police in this matter. It's about time Towson police step up the public pissing, public puking problem that plague our little street. I hate coming to work on a Saturday morning and finding piss or puke on my front step.

Yeah, it seems the police went a little nuts. Who can blame them, they have to deal with people who just won't shut-up and comply. People like you. Cops have a tough job, they don't always get it right. If you would have just listened, acted politly and not been so concerned about your consitutional right to swear in public, none of it would have happened.

Ryan,

Oh, the joy that is Ryan Harvey. Congratulations on, once again, making a mountain out of a mole-hill. The cops did not come after these kids because they had a mohawk, wore patches on their pants or had anarchist beliefs. The cops came after him because he was urinating in a public place. Political beliefs had nothing to do with it. It got out of hand, it happens, life isn't perfect........we move on and correct our mistakes.

To the kids who were involved,

Maybe you should write the police an official letter of apology and count your losses. Yeah, I understand that your rights (or whatever) were abused but sometimes the smart thing to do is not always what we want to do. Making an apology would help you big time in your day in court. Kenny Rogers once said "You got to know when to hold 'em, Know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run".

Hindsight is always twenty-twenty. Generally when we view hindsight we just complain about what happened. What good is that? If you can look at it and try to correct it you could have a chance of making the problem go away (or, at least, make the swelling go down).

Of course, none of that will happen. You're punks, tried and true. Affiliated with Food Not bombs in whatever capacity and your pride is strong. Writing a letter might sting, but the bite of a harsher fine is jail time is gonna be worse.

Next time, shut-up. Take the fine.

Someone mentioned before that fighting the police was what got us womens rights and such and such. If that is the case (which it is) this event proves to us what? Fighting the police allows us to piss in public? This isn't a fight for the freedoms of American Democracy like everyone seems to want to make it out to be. At it's core root the best we could say is it's a fight for public urinals.

BTW-Pizza Boli's has tables. Under Maryland law any place that serves food and has tables and chairs to sit must have a public bathroom. Of course, you'd have to have bought something to use it.

Later.
 

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1. if you have never had a cop toss you around for no reason-shut the fuck up
2. if you have never been pepper sprayed-shut the fuck up
3. if you think the cops did the right thing-shut the fuck up
if you dont let the pigs know that you arnt going to except these kinds of things than they're only goin to get worse.

the only thing worse
than spoiled children
are corrupt cops
 

Dear 'Grow up' and Tim,

You will be thrilled to know that everyone involved is, in fact, employed.

Go to the Pizza Bolis on Allegheny Avenue. THERE IS NO PUBLIC BATHROOM. You would have to walk through the entire kitchen to get to it if there were. Also, the public urination is really not an issue. Sure, it's illegal, but it in no way merits the treatment that my friends received.

Also, the Pizza Bolis people were quite DISpleased by breathing in pepper spray and having a chair and window destroyed by the cops.


On top of that, fuck you.
 

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You guys are so lame...yeah, like the police have nothing better to do than go looking for trouble with you ! Clean up your act, stop your lying and get on with life....real life you morons...asnd get a REAL job so your mom can buy a frigging washing machine for your court clothes! The police have a hard job dealing with trash like you...they would rather deal with bigger criminals like rapists and stuff...but you pathetic morons got to just try to prove something all the time.
 

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mabey you missed my last post dave.
hahahahahahahhaahah shut the fuck up
 

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Is that the best you got?

"Shut the fuck up"?

Sheesh, so original. My grandma says harsher things when she burns the pot-roast.

Maybe if these kids wouldn't have lied, wouldn't have sworn so much at the officer he would have just given them a ticket and let them be. Instead, these kids were so enthralled with the idea that they had to stick up for their rights that it cost them big time.

Oh, I went to Pizza Boli's and those guys were quite upset at breathing in pepper spray. Of course, it would have never been used had you just closed your trap and took the ticket. Instead you made a mountain out of a molehill.

You punk kids always think the cops are a gestapo. I'll tell you who the gestapo is. It's people who insist they believe in freedom of speech but two minutes later are telling people to "Shut the fuck up".

Practice what you preach.
 

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You guys have nothing better to do? Why are you out on the streets at 2? Police try to give you a fine, if you refuse, they need to lock you up. In addition, if you resist, you are putting thier lives in jeopardy. Would you rather be sprayed or shot? Considering your friends were all acting up, you were "disturbing the peace" which is something you can be arrested for. So why don't you just chill and stop hanging out on the streets. That is why you guys have a bad reputation. Find somewhere else to go at 2 or maybe you should be in bed. Cops have better things to do than mess with you guys, it annoys them, trust me. And when they spray you, they catch the spray too so just calm down and learn from this. You do have rights but lost some when you dont listen to the police. This is not police brutality, just kids trying to disturb the police...good luck in court, although you are wasting your time and money, not considering mine!
 

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To Tim:
I know of plenty of MD restaurants that have seats and no public restroom.

To the idiot who wrote this:
1. if you have never had a cop toss you around for no reason-shut the fuck up
2. if you have never been pepper sprayed-shut the fuck up
3. if you think the cops did the right thing-shut the fuck up

Why? It's illogical to imply that people should not have the right to speak unless they've had those things happen to them. It's even moreso illogical (not to mention, pathetic, lame, and immature) to imply that someone shouldn't be allowed to talk if they have an opposing opinion. What are you, some sort of punk-rock liberal faggot nazi?
 

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Ok your right, I don't break the law so I have not been "thrown around" by cops or pepper sprayed. However, I know the law and you were clearly breaking it. If the guy would have taken the citation, you would have been fine. Since he didnt sign it, the cops have to arrest you. After you all flip out and make a big deal out of everything, that is disorderly conduct so thats why the rest of you ended up the way you did. By the way, you were mad about not being able to go near your friend to help his eyes...your not allowed to go anywhere near someone who is in police custody!!! Maybe you guys should stop hanging on the streets. I see you everywhere in towson, and personaly I like cops, they keep me safe plus they risk thier lives everyday...do you? They dont make the laws, they just enforce them and when you break the law, you pay. A word of advise, when a cop comes near you, dont act like they are the enemy if they are just saying hi. You can either be civil or enemies...being enemies does you no good, havent you learned your lesson?? By the way I have nothing against you, I dont even know you but form what I hear and see you need to find other things to do. I just wanted to state my opinion on this PUBLIC forum.
 

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my point being that i dont care what anyone has to say about anything my imput on the subject is if you think that takin a piss and sayin bullshit means you should get papper sprayed while in handcuffs then your a waste of skin and in my wonder full own words"shut the fuck up" it is free speach you say what you want and ill tell you to shut the fuck up youll say more stuff ill say my piece id could go on forever.
geez guys stop wasteing air free speach makes it so i can tell you to shut the fuck up.hello?
 

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"To Tim:
I know of plenty of MD restaurants that have seats and no public restroom."

Yeah, this may be the case but it's still against Maryland law to not provide a restroom to customers if you have sit down tables and chairs.

I know Boli's doesn't have a restroom, they should but the world is far from perfect.

What's up with the punctuation on this board by certain people? Did anyone learn what a comma is in school? Horrible!

Anyway, I think we all agree. Screw with the police, act like little dipshits and get thrown around. Nothing about your story says to me "Cops beat the shit out of us because they could". Your story only makes you out to be little kids, without much experience, trying too hard to be political martyrs. Next time shut your trap and go home.
 

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okay guys, great. it's OBVIOUS that the mistakes were a] pissing in the alley in the first place and b] not taking the damn fine. i think that's very easily recognized.

what's NOT okay is that Tom ended up with a CONCUSSION and whiplash because he was cursin' in public. not only that, but he was peppersprayed inches from his face. official regulation dictates that the officer be 15//20 feet away from the perp. not only THAT, but it's never to be administered after the subject is restrained. Tom was IN HANDCUFFS when they peppersprayed him.

Chuck and I, however, experienced the pepper-spray within 'legal' administration procedure.. but it wasn't necessary to use. we didn't do anything.

the issue here is NOT whether or not what Chuck was doing was wrong.. we're all conscious that his action was illegal. what the issue presented is that PEPPERSPRAY was administered against 3 people in their 20s who really weren't doing anything to warrant being sprayed. we were all arrested- and for what? Tom for swearing aloud. Chuck for peeing in an alley and having concern for his brother. Me for requesting names and badge numbers and refusing to give up when i was told to back off. interesting thing: Liz, who DID back off to wait for the names and badge numbers, NEVER OBTAINED THEM. so i wouldn't have gotten them anyway.

we were pepperprayed, tom- who wasn't even peeing- was brutalized, and none of us received decent medical attention. what could have been a situation easily handled by one or, say, 3 cops was handled by enough people to fill 7 crusiers, a canine unit, a paddy wagon, and a plaincar.

it's ludacris. how can you not see it? how???
 

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please.. if you can donate for lawyers.. mine's 750 and the boys have yet to get one decent. any donations would be appreciated. tom faces 10 years, chuck faces a few months- as do i. thanks. Alexys
 

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i hope you get the maximum sentences, at least in jail, they make sure you take a shower now and then.
 

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You hope these kids get ten years? that's messed up. These kids fucked up, sure. They broke the law, yeah. But the cops still went nuts. Both sides made some poor decisions.

If I was a judge I would punish the kids (sorry-"Adults") for lying about the ID and for unrinating in the street. I would punish them for those two things and nothing else. Also, I would privatly reprimand the officers for acting in an overly-harsh manner and then putting it on the public record.

How's the trial going?
 

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There can be no excuse for this summary injustice, brutality, autocratic arrogance, power-craven bullying etc.

When the law shows itself to be lawless, it loses its raisson d'etre - power over you.

Although, prison doesn't work, the image of the offending officers behind bars, seems somewhat appropriate.

Good luck, if you need it, in the case; and try not to get too stressed.
 

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You are an idiot! Why you found it so important to become disorderly and be such a pain in the ass is beyond me. Your actions were clearly disrespectful and does not speak to the average citizen or "tax payer". Don't fool yourself into thinking that you are some sort of martyr. All you had to do is shut up and give your ID, probably not get in trouble and that would have been the end. Instead you decided to give the officers a bunch of bull. By the way you don't have the right to walk away when an officer is talking to you.
 

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FORGOT 2 POINTS!!!!
1. THE ONE THAT KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT DIDNT GET ARRESTED!
2. BET YOU GOT FOUND GUILTY HUH? DONT SEE THAT IN HERE.
 

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